PC Leadership Race- Redford wins.

[woob]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

That would be me conceding to your meaning as in "as you were"

Thank-you, good sir.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Exactly, why run this now, it aint' gonna change a thing. I can see the purpose running this during an election campaign.

The federal Conservatives had ads running for months before the election call.

Everyone knows the election is coming in the spring. the goal of these ads is to get their message out before the others do.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The federal Conservatives had ads running for months before the election call.

Everyone knows the election is coming in the spring. the goal of these ads is to get their message out before the others do.

This is the problem.... This isn't about their message. It's about attacking someone else for something they haven't even had a chance to do, right or wrong.

[Resolute 14]

Politics, man. Just politics.

Don't kid yourself. The other parties will attack Wildrose for being scary monsters who will destroy every social service you hold dear, despite the fact that they haven't had a chance to do so.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

This is the problem.... This isn't about their message. It's about attacking someone else for something they haven't even had a chance to do, right or wrong.

I have not been following that closely but isn't Redford already waffling on her statements?

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

This is the problem.... This isn't about their message. It's about attacking someone else for something they haven't even had a chance to do, right or wrong.

It's the same, people are applauding her reversal of the education cuts before she has actually done it. You can never sever the person from their politics. I despised NDP's politics but I was fond of Ken Lay.

[GP_Matt]

Defining the leader before they get a chance was very effective for the federal conservatives. They did a great job with both Dion and Ignatieff.

And maybe I am jaded, but I don't see a problem with an ad that points out campaign promises that were changed after someone is elected. Maybe the pressure will convince her to honour her promises. It got her to reinstate the fall sitting.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

^Hope you caught the part where its noted that its $100m in a budget figure of $6B....a drop in the bucket. In other words she didn't win because she bought votes with this. People voted for her because she was considered to represent their values, deemed capable and cool under pressure.

It is still a concern though.

I hate the idea of promising money for anything in exchange for votes. Sure, the money is probably a good idea, but the idea of promising it so that teachers will vote for you isn't.

Either way, it doesn't matter, as everyone does it.

What matters most is that they actually make sure that the money is wisely spent and not wasted on more administrative crap.

[GP_Matt]

As long as the promises are open then I don't see any issue at all. There are far more people in the province who aren't teachers than who are so if she promises the teachers something unreasonable the rest of the population will vote against it.

It might be a problem if she had promised to double taxes on women (49.9 percent of population) and eliminate taxes on men (50.1%).

[darklord700]

More skeleton coming out of the closet now.

Premier criticized over chief of staff's money woes

http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/10/07...ffs-money-woes

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

It might be a problem if she had promised to double taxes on women (49.9 percent of population) and eliminate taxes on men (50.1%).

And that's why we have a constitution.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by darklord700

More skeleton coming out of the closet now.

Premier criticized over chief of staff's money woes

http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/10/07...ffs-money-woes

The WRA is really grasping at straws now...they must be terrified. Not only did Carter have these issues when working for the WRA, but as far as I know he resigned over comments on twitter he made about Stelmach.

Not only that but after the Nenshi campaign the WRA had brought Carter back in (knowing full well of his obligations)...that was about a year ago?

Either (a) the WRA is unhappy with Carter (b) they are terrified of the threat Redford gives their existence or (c) some combination of the two.

[Resolute 14]

(d) Your own biases are leading you to make assumptions on what you wish to be the truth.

As I said above, it's politics, and Redford has a target on her back now. The opposition's going to take any avenue they feel is open to them.

And yes, Carter resigned from the WRA following his comments on Stelmach. I believe, however, he claimed that it was due to his financial situation. Of course, everyone knew the truth.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

(d) Your own biases are leading you to make assumptions on what you wish to be the truth.

As I said above, it's politics, and Redford has a target on her back now. The opposition's going to take any avenue they feel is open to them.

And yes, Carter resigned from the WRA following his comments on Stelmach. I believe, however, he claimed that it was due to his financial situation. Of course, everyone knew the truth.

What about them hiring him back again this year? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander!

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Slava

The WRA is really grasping at straws now...they must be terrified.

Funny how the party is getting painted with this brush. It was media that broke and carried that story.

Not only did Carter have these issues when working for the WRA, but as far as I know he resigned over comments on twitter he made about Stelmach.

Not so much what he said. He was mocking Stelmach's accent. I'm not sure what finally was the breaking point, but yes a little bit from column A and a bit from column B.

Not only that but after the Nenshi campaign the WRA had brought Carter back in (knowing full well of his obligations)...that was about a year ago?

I think it was just under a year. Danielle is quoted in the article as to why she agreed to hire him back.

He left because Redford offered him more $$$$.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Funny how the party is getting painted with this brush. It was media that broke and carried that story.



Not so much what he said. He was mocking Stelmach's accent. I'm not sure what finally was the breaking point, but yes a little bit from column A and a bit from column B.



I think it was just under a year. Danielle is quoted in the article as to why she agreed to hire him back.

He left because Redford offered him more $$$$.

Right....the media suddenly became interested in a story thats 2 years old and just happens to have a bunch of quotes from Danielle Smith? Awfully convenient!

Regardless the fact that the Wildrose is trying to make gains from this is just wrong. They hired him this past year for the same role as Redford. The fact that they have the gall to suggest that Alisons vetting process is somehow flawed in light of that is pretty rich!

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. They mustn't have had any real traction with the "buying votes" angle so now we're down to this. Its pathetic. I just feel badly for Carter though, in the sense that the guy is getting dragged through the mud because the WRA is upset that he went and worked for the others and the party he left behind is fading fast.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Slava

Right....the media suddenly became interested in a story thats 2 years old and just happens to have a bunch of quotes from Danielle Smith? Awfully convenient!

Because she appointed him Chief of Staff. He is going to be under scrutiny. If you think the media would give anyone a pass on this you are dreaming.

Regardless the fact that the Wildrose is trying to make gains from this is just wrong. They hired him this past year for the same role as Redford. The fact that they have the gall to suggest that Alisons vetting process is somehow flawed in light of that is pretty rich!

Just how are they trying to make gains? By responding to media?

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. They mustn't have had any real traction with the "buying votes" angle so now we're down to this. Its pathetic.

All the other parties have put out press releases condemning Redford and the PC's on issues, where is your criticism of them?

I just feel badly for Carter though, in the sense that the guy is getting dragged through the mud because the WRA is upset that he went and worked for the others and the party he left behind is fading fast.

Feel for him too. Despite our different perspectives, I like him and we generally get along fine.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Because she appointed him Chief of Staff. He is going to be under scrutiny. If you think the media would give anyone a pass on this you are dreaming.

I don't think that anyone should get a free pass, but I do find it awfully interesting that the media "broke this story" which just happens to be two years old. Its pretty clear where it originated and why. Are you guys out of legitimate issues already?

If Danielle Smith wanted to respond to media by saying something like "Stephen did some good work for us and we wish him well. We had assumed that his financial issues were resolved when he was last under our employ." I think that would've been enough. Its not like this was unheard of before today, and obviously not unknown to the WRA.

The other parties have put out releases on issues. That's the point of departure. This shouldn't be an issue. If the WRA wants to talk about their plans to privatize healthcare or eliminate CPP that's fine...those are issues. Going after a guy because he has some debts hanging over his head though is pretty bush league.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't think that anyone should get a free pass, but I do find it awfully interesting that the media "broke this story" which just happens to be two years old. Its pretty clear where it originated and why. Are you guys out of legitimate issues already?

If Danielle Smith wanted to respond to media by saying something like "Stephen did some good work for us and we wish him well. We had assumed that his financial issues were resolved when he was last under our employ." I think that would've been enough. Its not like this was unheard of before today, and obviously not unknown to the WRA.

The other parties have put out releases on issues. That's the point of departure. This shouldn't be an issue.

Agreed. That's why there is no press release from the party on this; only on issues.

If the WRA wants to talk about their plans to privatize healthcare or eliminate CPP that's fine...those are issues. Going after a guy because he has some debts hanging over his head though is pretty bush league.

You have chosen to believe that the party somehow influenced national media to pick up on this story. That's not true, but clearly I can't convince you otherwise.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Agreed. That's why there is no press release from the party on this; only on issues.



You have chosen to believe that the party somehow influenced national media to pick up on this story. That's not true, but clearly I can't convince you otherwise.

I definitely think that the WRA put this out. How the Sun could run this as a front page story when Redford was sworn in yesterday is classless...but they were definitely helped. Maybe there is no press release, but that doesn't mean anything. You and I both know that this is why all of the parties have media relations teams...they make a phone call and basically hand over the story.