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troutman · 10-05-2011, 10:06 AM

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This is a really really good year to tank like they are however as I believe Andrew Luck is about as much of a sure thing as any QB since Peyton Manning....now Miami just has to figure out how to finish below the Colts and Minnesota...as i believe either one would take Luck in a nanosecond.

Is it a lock that INDY would take Luck? Manning could play another 5-6 years?

nik- · 10-05-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Is it a lock that INDY would take Luck? Manning could play another 5-6 years?

he could, but the dude is 36 next year, 3-4 years is more likely than 5 or 6.

darklord700 · 10-05-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Is it a lock that INDY would take Luck? Manning could play another 5-6 years?

INDY will take Luck for sure and perhaps trade Manning after 2-3 years. I am rooting for INDY to win, it'll be unfair for them to get Manning and Luck together.

valo403 · 10-05-2011, 11:01 AM

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INDY will take Luck for sure and perhaps trade Manning after 2-3 years. I am rooting for INDY to win, it'll be unfair for them to get Manning and Luck together.

Trade Manning? Yeah that's not going to happen.

HitterD · 10-05-2011, 11:41 AM

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Trade Manning? Yeah that's not going to happen.

I dunno, San Fransisco traded Montana to make way for Young.

Packers let Favre go to make way for Rodgers

Both were the right decision to make and both teams won a championship because of those decisions.

Sylvanfan · 10-05-2011, 12:19 PM

The thing is with Rogers and Farve...was that Rogers fell to like pick 20 or whatever it was. At that point the draft picks don't get paid anymore on that first contract than a team would normally spend on good backup QB. Manning just signed a big fat new contract although...it can be voided due to injury from what I remember reading. So if they have Luck even with a rookie wage scale and Manning, that's a big chunk of cap space tied up at QB, which might impact their ability to get other pieces in place to win the next couple years while Manning is playing.

The better comparison may be when the Chargers had Drew Brees get injured and than finish dead last. They still wanted to take a QB, but had to trade down from the top pick (Eli Manning because he didn't want to go to SD) and take Phillip Rivers.

Polian isn't a dummy, but you have a 35 year old Manning, do you trade down, get a QB later that you can develop, and try to get some other pieces to help you win in the next 2-3 years with Peyton Manning? Or do you go for Luck keep Manning for a year or so than move on...or do you just take Luck and start over new, which would really be a bold move.

I do think the Colts have shown something though in the past couple weeks. Really outside of that first half against Houston they've been competitive.

But as a previously poster mentioned if Joe Montana or Brett Farve can be traded, than certainly anyone could be traded. It wouldn't be the first time a legacy QB ended up finishing off his career somewhere else. Although I would have to think the Colts wouldn't just part ways with Manning until next season and getting him on the field. His body of work is too strong to just cut him loose.

You Need a Thneed · 10-05-2011, 04:04 PM

I little bit of talk about there about LeBron James practicing football at a high school, and of course, everyone starts talking about whether he would join the NFL in case of the NBA season being cancelled.

I think athletes like him could be really good football players, the question is, would he risk getting injured and jeopardizing his basketball career?

What do others think? Will we see any players crossover?

valo403 · 10-05-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HitterD

I dunno, San Fransisco traded Montana to make way for Young.

Packers let Favre go to make way for Rodgers

Both were the right decision to make and both teams won a championship because of those decisions.

It's more that I don't see anyone trading for Manning if he's slipped enough in 2 years to have Luck be the better option at QB as it would likely be due to injury.

CofR · 10-05-2011, 04:14 PM

I think a team would have to put a clause in his contract not allowing him to play in the fourth quarter... Because I sure wouldn't want him out there then.

In all seriousness, I think a marginal player in either league could be interested in it if they were in a lockout scenario, but there's no need for a guy like Lebron to do this. Lebron just likes to be talked about... Exhibit A: The Decision.

valo403 · 10-05-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I little bit of talk about there about LeBron James practicing football at a high school, and of course, everyone starts talking about whether he would join the NFL in case of the NBA season being cancelled.

I think athletes like him could be really good football players, the question is, would he risk getting injured and jeopardizing his basketball career?

What do others think? Will we see any players crossover?

Well no NBA players will be crossing over to the NFL this year, that's for sure, but there are definitely players that could do it if they dedicated themselves full time. You'd have to be insane to leave the NBA for the NFL though, I don't recall an epidemic of severe brain injuries in basketball.

You Need a Thneed · 10-05-2011, 04:25 PM

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Well no NBA players will be crossing over to the NFL this year, that's for sure, but there are definitely players that could do it if they dedicated themselves full time. You'd have to be insane to leave the NBA for the NFL though, I don't recall an epidemic of severe brain injuries in basketball.

I not even sure that someone like Lebron would need to get used to the game. As a pass catching Tight End, he'd be very hard to defend. Of course if would take a little bit of practice for him to get his timing, etc. But I see no reason why someone like that couldn't step in this season if they wanted to and do well.

But you are right about the injuries part. He'd be subjecting himself to a lot of being tackled/hit unlike he normally would in a basketball game. He'd also be making less money than some European basketball team would offer to pay him.

valo403 · 10-05-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I not even sure that someone like Lebron would need to get used to the game. As a pass catching Tight End, he'd be very hard to defend. Of course if would take a little bit of practice for him to get his timing, etc. But I see no reason why someone like that couldn't step in this season if they wanted to and do well.

But you are right about the injuries part. He'd be subjecting himself to a lot of being tackled/hit unlike he normally would in a basketball game. He'd also be making less money than some European basketball team would offer to pay him.

I think Lebron would be absolutely terrible if he attempted to just show up and play. Football and basketball are very different sports, and your training reflects that. He's not training to get off of a 250lb LB that's allowed to hit him, he's training to deal with a sport where there's contact but certainly not at anywhere near the same scale. He'd never get off the line without spending a considerable amount of time working on those skills.

I actually don't think he'd be good even if he put in the time. He's shown he doesn't like it when the going gets tough, and there's not many things tougher than getting smacked around by a guy like James Harrison. He'd disappear after a couple of plays.

transplant99 · 10-05-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

I think Lebron would be absolutely terrible if he attempted to just show up and play. Football and basketball are very different sports, and your training reflects that. He's not training to get off of a 250lb LB that's allowed to hit him, he's training to deal with a sport where there's contact but certainly not at anywhere near the same scale. He'd never get off the line without spending a considerable amount of time working on those skills.

I actually don't think he'd be good even if he put in the time. He's shown he doesn't like it when the going gets tough, and there's not many things tougher than getting smacked around by a guy like James Harrison. He'd disappear after a couple of plays.

Agreed....there are so many great athletes that simply cant translate their gifts to football and certainly James would likely fall into that category.

Did he ever play football at any high level.....even high school? If not he would be absolutely lost in the nuances and verbage needed to be successful, nevermind he wouldn't be "the star" that he so obviously needs to be.

dirk diggler · 10-06-2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Well no NBA players will be crossing over to the NFL this year, that's for sure, but there are definitely players that could do it if they dedicated themselves full time. You'd have to be insane to leave the NBA for the NFL though, I don't recall an epidemic of severe brain injuries in basketball.

have you not heard some of these NBA players speak? clearly there are some brain injuries with a few of them

Sainters7 · 10-06-2011, 09:34 AM

I can't see it with LeBron. Not that he couldn't potentially make a good tight end, but that he would even try. If we were talking about baseball or something then maybe, but the NFL's just waaay too physical to take that kind of chance at this point in his career, that's way too risky IMO. Imagine if he did play and then broke his leg or his ankle or something? That'd be a disaster. He'd be stupid to try this (then again, if the Decision taught us anything, he IS stupid, so we'll see...).

SuperMatt18 · 10-06-2011, 09:42 AM

No way Lebron would risk his career to play football f

troutman · 10-06-2011, 10:07 AM

LeBron would be good on line-outs for US Rugby.

habernac · 10-06-2011, 10:22 AM

dumbass Hank Jr has been given a permanent vacation from MNF after his stupid comments. I love how he says it was HIM that made the decision.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/70...night-football

troutman · 10-06-2011, 10:50 AM

Good riddance to Hank. Let's hope Fox doesn't hire him now.

Sainters7 · 10-06-2011, 10:56 AM

I love the part where he said they stepped on the toes of the freedom of speech. A drunken guy in a cowboy hat talking about freedom. The only way he could be more of a stereotype is if he released that statement from his Dodge Ram in a NASCAR parking lot. Good riddance. (though I will miss that song. Its got high comedic value among me and my buddies)