Amanda Knox Guilty of murder (shakeshead)

[THE SCUD]

Has she already left Italy?

[TorqueDog]

A friend of mine on Facebook is acting as though her release is some completely terrible travesty of justice... because you know, the case was so cut-and-dried to begin with. I really love my friends but sometimes I wish they'd just stop commenting on current events when they're not informed about them.

[rohara66]

Watched Dateline/20-20 special a while back and again this past weekend.... I don't know much about the case other than how they portrayed it but as far as I'm concerned she's 100% innocent.

And note to self.... don't get involved in any crimes in Italy. Their 'justice system' is a complete joke.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

LOL, just noticed. You live in London, go figure

Two innocent people finally got out of jail today, please take solace in the fact that the likely killer is still in jail.

What does it matter where I live? FTR, I'm not English, not that it makes a difference.

My view was based upon her reported demeanor in the aftermath of the murder - if indeed it is still true she was smiling and doing cartwheels while waiting to be questioned by the cops. That is some pretty weird behavior.

The subsequent events where it transpires the forensic evidence was contaminated beyond all use makes the conviction unsafe and I agree it shouldn't stand.

This case is a good argument against the death penalty. Unless you live in Texas.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by rohara66

And note to self.... don't get involved in any crimes in Italy. Their 'justice system' is a complete joke.

Doesn't that mean you'd be safer getting involved in crimes?

[Kybosh]

Guilty or not, this was one seriously botched case by the Italian authorities.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Watched Dateline/20-20 special a while back and again this past weekend.... I don't know much about the case other than how they portrayed it but as far as I'm concerned she's 100% innocent.

And note to self.... don't get involved in any crimes in Italy. Their 'justice system' is a complete joke.

At least they don't execute children or mentally handicapped individuals.

I doubt there is a 'justice system' anywhere that doesn't have its fair share of unjust verdicts.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

What does it matter where I live? FTR, I'm not English, not that it makes a difference.

My view was based upon her reported demeanor in the aftermath of the murder - if indeed it is still true she was smiling and doing cartwheels while waiting to be questioned by the cops. That is some pretty weird behavior.

The subsequent events where it transpires the forensic evidence was contaminated beyond all use makes the conviction unsafe and I agree it shouldn't stand.

This case is a good argument against the death penalty. Unless you live in Texas.

Yet you call her a "cold hard bitch" and "guilty" without knowing this to be true,your rush to judgement was no better than the Italian justice system.

And those cartwheels were started by guess who? the rags they call newspapers in britain that's who. fact is all she did after the murder was go shopping with her boyfriend.

Just admit there was no evidence for her being charged let alone found guilty, the drifter who's DNA was all over that room is in jail..get over it.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yet you call her a "cold hard bitch" and "guilty" without knowing this to be true,your rush to judgement was no better than the Italian justice system.

And those cartwheels were started by guess who? the rags they call newspapers in britain that's who. fact is all she did after the murder was go shopping with her boyfriend.

Just admit there was no evidence for her being charged let alone found guilty, the drifter who's DNA was all over that room is in jail..get over it.

'No better than the Italian justice system'? Grow up. The situation at the time was that this was a person who was a suspect in a murder case - the murder of a room mate no less, who died a hideously awful death, and she behaved in such a way.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...6975061&page=1

Innocent or not - that is cold. And then for her to point the finger at an entirely innocent person - that is being a bitch.

And none of that was not information that was gleaned from the 'rags', because I don't read the tabloids - never have, but you just keep on making the assumptions about me. So far you have labelled my views as being because of where I am and what you reckon I read.

The thing is, we won't know if Knox was involved or not because of the incompetence of the police and their closed minds in the investigation, which only came to light in the appeal process of the Justice System you are being critical of. But it aint the worst justice system by any means. You don't have to go too far south to find a system that could quite easily have had Knox on death row - and stuck with the original verdict out of political expediency.

Should Knox be free because of the mishandling of evidence - yep - I said as much above.

As for getting over it, take your own advice.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

A friend of mine on Facebook is acting as though her release is some completely terrible travesty of justice... because you know, the case was so cut-and-dried to begin with. I really love my friends but sometimes I wish they'd just stop commenting on current events when they're not informed about them.

I know the feeling. Except in my case its even worse when these friends are fellow 3rd year law students who are planning to practice criminal law.

It was a super complicated case and in the end, there simply wasnt enough admissible evidence to support a murder charge...especially when there was evidence to suggest she didn't do it at all.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

'No better than the Italian justice system'? Grow up. The situation at the time was that this was a person who was a suspect in a murder case - the murder of a room mate no less, who died a hideously awful death, and she behaved in such a way.

You clearly don't have a clue about what you are talking about. She had nothing to do with the murder and there was no evidence at all. And her behavior after has nothing to do with being a murderer either. That is unless you have some evidence that shows murderers behave a certain way in front of the police when guilty. I am sure you don't and are rushing to judgment.

Otherwise, please enlighten us to what your evidence is, I would be happy to learn all about it.

In case you did not know, they were released from jail because they were absolved of any involvement, and not because there was insufficient evidence. No involvement at all. None.

Also, the details of her behaviour post murder was part of the larger smeer campaign to discredit the couple. Since the court determined they had nothing to do with the murder, what behaviour do you think they should have had? Since so much was a lie against them, is it too much for you to see that they also lied about her behavior?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You clearly don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

Do you say that to everybody you disagree with?

Good strategy.

[afc wimbledon]

Personally I think the cow was very aware of what happened to the room mate and was either covering for her boyfriend or herself, doesn't make her a murderer granted but she is far from innocent in my view.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

'No better than the Italian justice system'? Grow up. The situation at the time was that this was a person who was a suspect in a murder case - the murder of a room mate no less, who died a hideously awful death, and she behaved in such a way.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...6975061&page=1

Innocent or not - that is cold. And then for her to point the finger at an entirely innocent person - that is being a bitch.

From your link

Police told an Italian court today that Amanda Knox had a "strange attitude" after discovering that her roommate had been murdered, doing a cartwheel in the police station, sitting on her boyfriend's lap, making faces at him and kissing him.

Let me get this straight, you believe what an Italian police officer said in a trial that they did every thing they could to make sure she was guilty? Now I'm not exactly sure what the inside of their police stations look like or how well equipped they are but as far as I know in most countries there are video cameras all over the place and most certainly in the waiting and holding areas.

You are gullible

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

The thing is, we won't know if Knox was involved or not.

Apparently you knew!

Knox did it, and whats more, she's a cold bitch.

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Should Knox be free because of the mishandling of evidence - yep - I said as much above.

You can't mishandle evidence that wasn't there.

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

You don't have to go too far south to find a system that could quite easily have had Knox on death row - and stuck with the original verdict out of political expediency.

I feel confident in saying this case wouldn't have even made it to trial in the USA let alone get a conviction.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by T@T

From your link


I feel confident in saying this case wouldn't have even made it to trial in the USA let alone get a conviction.

As she isn't a black guy I have to agree.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

From your link

Let me get this straight, you believe what an Italian police officer said in a trial that they did every thing they could to make sure she was guilty? Now I'm not exactly sure what the inside of their police stations look like or how well equipped they are but as far as I know in most countries there are video cameras all over the place and most certainly in the waiting and holding areas.

You are gullible


Apparently you knew!



You can't mishandle evidence that wasn't there.



I feel confident in saying this case wouldn't have even made it to trial in the USA let alone get a conviction.

On the evidence that was available at the time I was sure she did it, yeah. That has been discredited since and the procedural flaws in the original case that have since come to light make me highly suspect she didn't. You see how I change my position on the basis of new information coming to light?

Yeah I was sure she did it - but I've long since come to terms with the idea that I am not infallible - even on a messageboard.

I don't however think she is entirely innocent because of her demeanor and because she lied to put an entirely innocent party in the dock for murder. And yes, you can mishandle evidence and manipulate it, that is why unless they find mislaid a video of exactly what happened, then because they have contaminated the evidence - no one will get to the bottom of exactly what happened and who was involved.

Finally, if you don't think there is a likelihood of a similar miscarriage of justice coming to light in the States, in spite of all the previous history - with often far more tragic and immoral endings, I wouldn't if I were you, accuse others of being gullible.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

On the evidence that was available at the time I was sure she did it, yeah.

What evidence? supposed DNA on a handle on a kitchen knife in the home that they shared? or the bra clasp. wouldn't be the first time roommates shared bras.

Again...there was zero evidence to tie her to murder or anything to do with the murder,as for her acting strange and "supposedly" changing her story, she was a scared 20 year old girl in a strange country,couldn't speak the language,just had a murder happen in her house to her friend.

Not exactly a possitive situation to be all calm and cool about.

Sorry man, I followed this from day one and not once did I think she had anything to do with it...and I'm not alone.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Personally I think the cow was very aware of what happened to the room mate and was either covering for her boyfriend or herself, doesn't make her a murderer granted but she is far from innocent in my view.

Based upon what exactly?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

On the evidence that was available at the time I was sure she did it, yeah. That has been discredited since and the procedural flaws in the original case that have since come to light make me highly suspect she did it. You see how I change my position on the basis of new information coming to light?

Yeah I was sure she did it - but I've long since come to terms with the idea that I am not infallible - even on a messageboard.

I don't however think she is entirely innocent because of her demeanor and because she lied to put an entirely innocent party in the dock for murder. And yes, you can mishandle evidence and manipulate it, that is why unless they find mislaid a video of exactly what happened, then because they have contaminated the evidence - no one will get to the bottom of exactly what happened and who was involved.

Finally, if you don't think there is a likelihood of a similar miscarriage of justice coming to light in the States, in spite of all the previous history - with often far more tragic and immoral endings, I wouldn't if I were you, accuse others of being gullible.

Let me get this straight, virtually all of the physical evidence in the case has been discredited to the point of being useless leaving the only tie as some strange behavior by someone who was clearly under an ungodly amount of stress and you only downgrade your opinion to highly suspecting that she did it? How do rationalize that? No evidence whatsoever and you still highly suspect that she did it? And you have the nerve to go after the US justice system? Thank god you're not in charge of it if those are the standards you utilize.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

Let me get this straight, virtually all of the physical evidence in the case has been discredited to the point of being useless leaving the only tie as some strange behavior by someone who was clearly under an ungodly amount of stress and you only downgrade your opinion to highly suspecting that she did it? How do rationalize that? No evidence whatsoever and you still highly suspect that she did it? And you have the nerve to go after the US justice system? Thank god you're not in charge of it if those are the standards you utilize.

Calm down dear.

The knowledge of how the evidence was handled - pun intended - came to light in the appeal.

And can I be clear about this, my suspicions are based on her lying and pointing the finger at an innocent man - a man she knew to be innocent, which is conveniently ignored by those having a great time going after me.