Clifford Olson dies

[Reaper]

I like how the article from the Sun wasn't fact checked:

At other times he’d adamantly insist that the death sentence was barbaric and no one deserved to die — “except goofs like that Bernardo guy, or Dahmer who was a cannibal.” (Jeffrey Dahmer was executed in 1994 for killing some 17 people — a sex offender, necrophiliac and cannibal).

Dahmer was beaten to death in prison.

[CaptainCrunch]

Well in the strictest sense of the word, sure. But you could argue that he was executed in an act of jail house justice.
They also forgot to mention that he was not only beaten, but sodomized with a broom stick, an act that made Alanis Moressette (sp?) stand up point at a camera and scream "see . . . somebody gets it" then she fist pumped and high fived a complete stranger.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Dante's Inferno is full of all kinds of nifty punishments. Pretty much everyone goes to Hell or that suck hole of purgatory.

Can't beat the Chinese when it comes to hell in the afterlife!!

http://wenhousecrafts.com/places/hell.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyu#Ei...levels_of_hell

[Yamer]

I find it strange that people condemn the pain and suffering Olsen inflicted on people, yet rejoice and enjoy the pain and suffering he must have felt in his final days. Just a quirk of human morality that is so contradictory, and makes me wonder.

[Barnet Flame]

There is nothing contradictory about condemning the pain inflicted on innocent children who must have experienced terror and bewilderment beyond anything that can be perceived by the likes of Olsen and wanting him to suffer a fraction of that pain via natural causes.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I find it strange that people condemn the pain and suffering Olsen inflicted on people, yet rejoice and enjoy the pain and suffering he must have felt in his final days. Just a quirk of human morality that is so contradictory, and makes me wonder.

I see what you're saying but he inflicted this on innocent children - people wouldn't wish this on a Clifford Olson law abiding citizen.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I find it strange that people condemn the pain and suffering Olsen inflicted on people, yet rejoice and enjoy the pain and suffering he must have felt in his final days. Just a quirk of human morality that is so contradictory, and makes me wonder.

Clifford Olson earned his hell on earth when he decided to pound nails into a kids head, rape him and ask him how it felt, then went out of his way to torment the families of the victim.

So why would I feel bad when he wasn't even human. He was an evil thing, and he got karmic payback for his actions in life.

So yes I will rejoice that the motherf%%ker is dead, and I will feel a certain bit better that in a lot of ways the universe works because he was made to feel probably 10% of the pain and suffering that he put his victims through.

The only thing that lacks justice in my mind is that he had fair warning that he was going to die, he had a chance to make whatever arrangements that he had to make, and he had a chance to communicate to whoever gave a crap that he was going to die.

His victims didn't get that, it was bang they were dead, their families had no chance to say goodbye or tell their families that they loved them at all, then the f$cker made sure that he not only gloated but he tormented the victims and their families.

Bottom line, he probably got loaded up on pain killers, got a nice comfy hospital bed, with some nice pillows, and a warm blanket. He probably got to watch T.V. and eat decent food.

He probably got to talk to people who even though they were repulsed by him they gave their best efforts to save his life.

To me it was a waste of resources, they should have given him the minimal pain medicine possible so he could feel the cancer eating him a milimeter at a time while videos of his victims and their families played 24 hours a day. They should have given him enough blood and food to keep him alive as long as possible.

Frankly I don't give a crap about his pain and suffering in the end, I can only hope that it was as severe as pounding nails into a kids head, it would have been better if the victims families could ask him over and over "How it felt"

He probably didn't feel a whole lot of pain, or fear and he was cared for.

Screw it, he got off easy.

[jar_e]

That canoe.ca article is a very disturbing, interesting look into Olson's ####ed up mind.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I find it strange that people condemn the pain and suffering Olsen inflicted on people, yet rejoice and enjoy the pain and suffering he must have felt in his final days. Just a quirk of human morality that is so contradictory, and makes me wonder.

Why should people feel sorry for Olsen and his suffering? He inflicted alot of pain on families and I doubt any of them feel the slightest sympathy for the pain he endured. What goes around, comes around and Olsen got his just rewards.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I find it strange that people condemn the pain and suffering Olsen inflicted on people, yet rejoice and enjoy the pain and suffering he must have felt in his final days. Just a quirk of human morality that is so contradictory, and makes me wonder.

Well things don't happen in a vacuum. People will always judge right and wrong and getting what you deserve. Even the spiritual principle of karma works on this effect. In that, his victims were innocent, but he was not. Therefore, he got what he deserved, but they deserved better. Especially since he never showed remorse or growth.

I'm not saying I agree that it's ok to rejoice over anyone's pain, but in this case it's easy to understand and I wouldn't thumb my nose either.

Back to the death penalty debate, you would have a hard time finding many people saying Olson shouldn't have been put to death (including me). But it's a 1-100 case. Maybe a 1-1,000,000 case. There are many many more cases where the evidence of the accused isn't enough that people would feel comfortable, or where the circumstances not so black and white. Where the criminal shows remorse or there are other issues muddying up the situation. Olson was a monster to the end, no doubt, and it's hard to say he shouldn't have been done away with. But in the grand scheme of things I don't think capital punishment is the best for obviously flawed legal and social systems. Or a flawed world as it were.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I find it strange that people condemn the pain and suffering Olsen inflicted on people, yet rejoice and enjoy the pain and suffering he must have felt in his final days. Just a quirk of human morality that is so contradictory, and makes me wonder.

Wait...what?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Wait...what?

I don't know, I must be tired, but I actually shot beer through my nose when I read that response and burst out laughing. Maybe because I saw a cat saying it.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't know, I must be tired, but I actually shot beer through my nose when I read that response and burst out laughing. Maybe because I saw a cat saying it.

Lol, doesn't that hurt?

[CaptainCrunch]

Stings like a son of a b%tch to be honest.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I find it strange that people condemn the pain and suffering Olsen inflicted on people, yet rejoice and enjoy the pain and suffering he must have felt in his final days. Just a quirk of human morality that is so contradictory, and makes me wonder.

That's not a quirk of morality. It's its essence. The idea that the suffering Olsen inflicted and the suffering he endured be viewed in the same light is an amoral perspective.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Dion

Why should people feel sorry for Olsen and his suffering? He inflicted alot of pain on families and I doubt any of them feel the slightest sympathy for the pain he endured. What goes around, comes around and Olsen got his just rewards.

I don't think anyone could have any sympathy or empathy for people like this, even other sociopaths (obviously)...nor should anyone. That's not the point I was trying to make. It's the satisfaction and sense of justice that someone else's suffering and death seems to bring someone completely separated from the situation.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Well things don't happen in a vacuum. People will always judge right and wrong and getting what you deserve. Even the spiritual principle of karma works on this effect. In that, his victims were innocent, but he was not. Therefore, he got what he deserved, but they deserved better. Especially since he never showed remorse or growth.

I'm not saying I agree that it's ok to rejoice over anyone's pain, but in this case it's easy to understand and I wouldn't thumb my nose either.

Perfectly understandable, and a solid statement. It is just not a perspective and attitude that I have towards these kinds of situations.

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

That's not a quirk of morality. It's its essence. The idea that the suffering Olsen inflicted and the suffering he endured be viewed in the same light is an amoral perspective.

Very well put, and I understand it from that perspective.

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Wait...what?

To explain my comment further, I don't take pleasure or satisfaction from the suffering and death of anyone or anything. That sure is easy to say from the distanced view involving no victimage, but it is truly how I feel.

It's not like I believe people who celebrate the death and suffering of certain individuals deemed 'evil' are wrong, or bad. I'm definitely not one to judge. It's just thought provoking that people can be so morally driven, and yet completely amoral in situations like this.

Thanks for the civil responses everyone.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't know, I must be tired, but I actually shot beer through my nose when I read that response and burst out laughing. Maybe because I saw a cat saying it.

I heard this:

[Resolute 14]

Our morality includes the concept that evil must be punished. A child is an innocent, and does not deserve such suffering so people become sickened by what Olsen did. Consequently, Olsen becomes viewed as evil, and so his own suffering is viewed as just. Ultimately, this is not a morality tale, as one would have to view Olsen of being human for morality to enter the picture.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I don't think anyone could have any sympathy or empathy for people like this, even other sociopaths (obviously)...nor should anyone. That's not the point I was trying to make. It's the satisfaction and sense of justice that someone else's suffering and death seems to bring someone completely separated from the situation.

One doesn't have to be close to the situation to feel elated he suffered and ultimately died. It brings closure and a sense of justice to the families involved.

[ResAlien]

Good. Die ####er.