Impaired Driving / DUI Advice

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Keep rationalizing it, you were close to the house, the car was a ghost car, you only had 3 drinks, you would have done the u-turn anyways, just keep coming up with reasons that make you feel better about your crime.

Don't worry, Pointts will take your thousands no matter what you say.

Rationalizing what?

He is saying what happened.

How is he rationalizing anything?

Considering the amount of d-bags on here I would say he is being way more honest than he should be and not trying to rationalize anything.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Keep rationalizing it, you were close to the house, the car was a ghost car, you only had 3 drinks, you would have done the u-turn anyways, just keep coming up with reasons that make you feel better about your crime.

Don't worry, Pointts will take your thousands no matter what you say.

What rationalizing?

He has been honest and up front about his actions. Nor does he feel better about his crime. Yet because he comes here for advice and answers people questions you twist his words to make him something he is not. Last time I checked an accused has the right to use any means available to fight his case.

[Daradon]

Ducay may have an incident close to his life that angers him even more than the average person to drunk driving. And that's not a bad thing.

Is he overboard in this discussion and clutching at straws in his argument? Yes, we all see he is.

But it's DD, and I think Ne7en is big enough to take his lumps, which he seems to be doing. At the end of the day, DD is something we need to discourage and eliminate.

Not through Ducay`s method, but his anger is understood.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

lol what a silly post.

Were you there?

None of us were there, including the OP. His inability to recognize that is what's bothering me. 0.13 isn't just a little buzzed. It's drunk. When someone wrecks while drunk, do you say, it probably wasn't because of the booze since people wreck every day while sober? Maybe or maybe not, but denying the possibility that the alcohol could have been a factor is denying the stupidity of his actions.

As for people saying that this isn't the thread to point out the dangers of drunk driving, would you say the same thing if someone came on here saying that they made a big mistake by shooting a gun at random in a shopping mall but that they just wanted some legal advice? No, you'd say, you are an idiot and I'm glad you got caught. Just because there are a lot more idiots who drive drunk doesn't make them any less so.

[Ne7en]

Big thanks to those who shared constructive advice. I have no intent on trying to justify my lapse in judgement, and simple understand I won't get everyone to believe the sincerity of my regret.

Hopefully others that may consider driving impaired have read some of the repercussions that follow and choose an alternative.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Keep rationalizing it, you were close to the house, the car was a ghost car, you only had 3 drinks, you would have done the u-turn anyways, just keep coming up with reasons that make you feel better about your crime.

Don't worry, Pointts will take your thousands no matter what you say.

Do you feel better about yourself now?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Delgar

True, but even with free pours he is under-reporting, which is expected. I've had the benefit of playing around with a real machine, and 0.13 does not come easily, and you will know you are completely hammered at that stage unless you have a hardcore tolerance.

In the group I was with, there were 1/2 girls and 1/2 guys. The girls who normally didn't drink a lot were obviously impaired by .05. Even the hardest core drinker in the group was obviously sloshed at 0.15, and it took a long time for him to get there.

How is he "under-reporting"? Were you there? Maybe he actually had 7 drinks, or maybe he had 3 with 2 being of unknown strength, which is exactly what he said from the start.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Keep rationalizing it, you were close to the house, the car was a ghost car, you only had 3 drinks, you would have done the u-turn anyways, just keep coming up with reasons that make you feel better about your crime.

Did someone U-turn over your dog/mother/wife? Your "arguments" aren't even making sense anymore.

[Yasa]

Some people need to take a step back here. The thought process of "Ne7en hasn't learned his lesson because he won't admit that alcohol influenced his u-turn decision and didn't see the cop." is pointless.

I'm fairly certain that this follow-up parade of legal fees and lawyers and the consequences of such have (or will have) resulted in a lesson learned. To assume otherwise is just arrogant.

As it stands now, Ne7en has stated his recollection of the events to the best of his memory, none of which has involved a sympathetic or justifying tone. It's simply all he remembers.

I know some of you don't buy the idea that he didn't see the cop, but as far as I'm concerned; cops don't just drive around lights-and-sirens all night. They know how to stay discreet, they tend to be pretty good at their jobs. Add to that it was a ghost car at night. I bet most of you wouldn't be able to pick them out. As for the u-turn? Most of us make illegal u-turns, and illegal driving maneuvers. You are assuming that Ne7en is a perfect driver otherwise.

I have zero sympathy for DUI recipients, but there has not been any request for hugs and hand holding here. Ne7en made a bad judgement call, we all have and will. He's lucky he didn't hurt anyone or himself, and I'm sure he's awell aware of it. He admited to it without trying to pass blame on anybody but himself. That's more than most people do for even minor incidents.

You don't need to cut him slack or be his friend, but you don't need to come in here and amplify the fact that he was wrong. The thread title even says "DUI Advice" and not once did he blame the police or the system. He owned up to his wrong doing. If you don't want to help, or don't feel he deserves help then move on.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by gargamel

None of us were there, including the OP. His inability to recognize that is what's bothering me. 0.13 isn't just a little buzzed. It's drunk. When someone wrecks while drunk, do you say, it probably wasn't because of the booze since people wreck every day while sober? Maybe or maybe not, but denying the possibility that the alcohol could have been a factor is denying the stupidity of his actions.

As for people saying that this isn't the thread to point out the dangers of drunk driving, would you say the same thing if someone came on here saying that they made a big mistake by shooting a gun at random in a shopping mall but that they just wanted some legal advice? No, you'd say, you are an idiot and I'm glad you got caught. Just because there are a lot more idiots who drive drunk doesn't make them any less so.

Exactly, so people speaking like they were is dumb.

[OldDutch]

After reading this thread, and how it's gotten a bit off track (alcohol fueled u-turns). I wanted to weigh in.

To the whole u-turn debate, point taken that alcohol causes driver to do dumb things, like break traffic laws.

To the OP, I understand you felt fine to drive, but were you? Obviously not, but that is the problem with drunk driving. It is not a black and white crime like stealing or murder. A lot of people do not consciously know they are breaking the law when they do it. I am sure if someone had said to you, look man you are 100% over, don't drive you wouldn't have.

However, that is no excuse, you did break the law, and the results could have been much worse, you could have killed someone, and that has to be taken into account. So this is a tough one for me, as there is no way I can use a holyer than thou attitude, as I bet I could have been in your shoes when I was younger with a bit of bad luck.

All I can say is to get a good lawyer. You should be punished, but not strung up in the town square. This is your first time, and I damn well hope you learn from it. Either by taking the bus for a year, or being scared straight.

As a new father, one of my biggest fears is getting hit by a drunk driver. Everytime I come home with my boy at night it scares me to death. So all I ask is to make sure you realize what you are puting in jeopardy for everyone next time you feel fine to drive.

[lazypucker]

I have been following this thread the last week or so, and Ne7en, I want to tell you how I feel.

Even though it sucks that you will be losing quite a bit of money because of this, but it is just temporary pain. What if someone's life was taken away? How can you ever repay that? Luckily it didn't happen.

All I want to say is that you should be thankful that you didn't injure anyone as that will definitely be much more than just monetary losses.

[jayswin]

^^^^^^^

Well, I'm glad we waited a week for that opinion.




edit: sorry that was kind of snarky, but that post is always hammered home a bunch of times at the beginning of these threads, and this thread was no exception.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by flameswin

^^^^^^^

Well, I'm glad we waited a week for that opinion.

I thought the post was very fitting given his username

[ikaris]

As others have mentioned, get a good criminal lawyer. It doesn't matter how much it costs as the future costs of a criminal conviction are significantly more. Take a loan if you have to.

[Ne7en]

Originally Posted by ikaris

As others have mentioned, get a good criminal lawyer. It doesn't matter how much it costs as the future costs of a criminal conviction are significantly more. Take a loan if you have to.

Please elaborate more. Why do you think the consequences of a criminal conviction outweigh the cost of legal fees?

[ken0042]

Many employers are asking for a police check before they hire somebody. It could end up costing you a job down the line.

If I was talking plea bargain with the Crown, I would take an extra year of no license if it meant no criminal conviction.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ne7en

Please elaborate more. Why do you think the consequences of a criminal conviction outweigh the cost of legal fees?

Doesn't it also make it a lot harder to travel over the border if you have a criminal conviction.

The whole job thing especially if they require any kind of driving record.

The conviction for a DUI will show up if your insurance company looks up your driving record.

Your costs aren't going to end with lawyer costs, especially if you get a conviction.

A DUI can really screw things up for you.

[Ne7en]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Doesn't it also make it a lot harder to travel over the border if you have a criminal conviction.

The whole job thing especially if they require any kind of driving record.

The conviction for a DUI will show up if your insurance company looks up your driving record.

Your costs aren't going to end with lawyer costs, especially if you get a conviction.

A DUI can really screw things up for you.

I agree, all those points are gonna make life difficult but wouldn't investing thousands in a lawyer with no guarantee only make the situation worse? It's difficult whether to just take my lumps and move on or try to fight with no certainty...

[CaptainCrunch]

As much as I admire your willingness to take your lumps, at least a lawyer can give you some options or negotiate a arrangement that won't wreck the next 5 or 10 years of your life.

Honestly I don't much like people that get behind the wheel of a car after drinking, they kinda piss me off, but you've taken plenty of lumps in this thread and probably in your life as well, so in a way I have a bunch of respect for you that your willing to take the heat.

But you have to be educated about your options moving forward, and simply surrendering is probably not your best move.

At least see what your avenues are. if you've never appeared in front of the courts before maybe there's an arrangement that can be done to let you move forward with a lesson learned and your life not being wrecked.