2011 NFL thread

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

if you knew football, you would know that Cutler didnt carry the Bears to 1 game short of the super bowl last year, their defense did. he was merely adequete. based on your thinking, do you consider Mark Sanchez the best in the AFC? after all "HE" beat Brady and Manning in the playoffs. Brees, Manning and Rivers didnt have nearly as good of a defense. that does make a difference. for example, see Roethlisberger.

Cutler ranked 7th in yards/pass, 13th in TD's, 17th in total yards and 16th in Qb ranking. Nothing flashy, but given how many times he was sacked and the receiving core he has, he can be argued as being ~10th ranked QB in the league.

It's no secret that the Bear's defense is their strong point, but they dont score points. They were actually only ranked around 9th or 10th last season and one of the worst defenses against the pass.

By your arguement, the Bears should have been in the playoffs every season as they have routinely had a top end defense every season, yet Orton couldn't do it and Grossman only really showed up once in the playoffs.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Cutler ranked 7th in yards/pass, 13th in TD's, 17th in total yards and 16th in Qb ranking. Nothing flashy, but given how many times he was sacked and the receiving core he has, he can be argued as being ~10th ranked QB in the league.

It's no secret that the Bear's defense is their strong point, but they dont score points. They were actually only ranked around 9th or 10th last season and one of the worst defenses against the pass.

By your arguement, the Bears should have been in the playoffs every season as they have routinely had a top end defense every season, yet Orton couldn't do it and Grossman only really showed up once in the playoffs.

Fair enough but all i a saying is there is so much that goes into a teams success. i get tired of hearing how a guy like Dan Marino isnt a winner because he hasnt won a superbowl.. Cutler is at least to me a middle of the pack QB with talent but i am not sure he has the intangibles. i do believe a team like the bears would be better off with Orton and the draft picks they gave up. not sure what your thoughts are, but Cutler isnt even close to a player like Aaron Rodgers...

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

DropIt you're arguing with a Chargers fan. Just let it go, they never shut up. His innate hatred of Cutler is akin to my Bronco fan flavoured hatred of Philip "I'm good in meaningless games" Rivers. You'll never win

As far as Cutler goes skill wise he's easily top 5 in the league but he does need to make up for the perceived lack of mental toughness he's gotten a rap for. Between his demanding a trade out of Denver because his BFF was fired, his boo boo in the NFC title game that made him sit out when the rest of the NFL was calling him a word that rhymes with lussy and his general "meh" demeanor he's got a long way to go. The guy has skills but right now he's a hell of a lot closer to Jeff George than Bret Favre.

I will be the first to admit that he does need to change his ways. Chicago has been a team known for outcasting troubled players (see Benson). However the controversy surrounding Cutler is greatly taken out of context.

Cutler took more hits then any other quarterback in the past 3 years IIRC last season and took every snap for 17 games, yet when his knee tears his toughness is questioned. Charles Woodson missed the SuperBowl game and yet nobody called him out.
It's obvious that other players around the league just dont like Cutler and his cocky attitude, but there was alot of talk from players who sure didnt show any of that self proclaimed toughness throughout their own season.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Fair enough but all i a saying is there is so much that goes into a teams success. i get tired of hearing how a guy like Dan Marino isnt a winner because he hasnt won a superbowl.. Cutler is at least to me a middle of the pack QB with talent but i am not sure he has the intangibles. i do believe a team like the bears would be better off with Orton and the draft picks they gave up. not sure what your thoughts are, but Cutler isnt even close to a player like Aaron Rodgers...

Intangibles? You mean like an oline?

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

DropIt you're arguing with a Chargers fan. Just let it go, they never shut up. His innate hatred of Cutler is akin to my Bronco fan flavoured hatred of Philip "I'm good in meaningless games" Rivers. You'll never win

As far as Cutler goes skill wise he's easily top 5 in the league but he does need to make up for the perceived lack of mental toughness he's gotten a rap for. Between his demanding a trade out of Denver because his BFF was fired, his boo boo in the NFC title game that made him sit out when the rest of the NFL was calling him a word that rhymes with lussy and his general "meh" demeanor he's got a long way to go. The guy has skills but right now he's a hell of a lot closer to Jeff George than Bret Favre.

Hey ResALien, you can cut down Rivers, but i didnt think you had time to do that sitting there with your Jergens lotion and picture of Tim "the saviour" Tebow... GO BRONCOS

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Fair enough but all i a saying is there is so much that goes into a teams success. i get tired of hearing how a guy like Dan Marino isnt a winner because he hasnt won a superbowl.. Cutler is at least to me a middle of the pack QB with talent but i am not sure he has the intangibles. i do believe a team like the bears would be better off with Orton and the draft picks they gave up. not sure what your thoughts are, but Cutler isnt even close to a player like Aaron Rodgers...

I never said he was a top quarterback or close to the player that Aaron Rodgers is. All I am saying is that people are quick to point the finger to a player who really does not deserve to be called out. The guy continually gets pounded week by week and he still shows up every week.

Yeah, he pouts and ideally I would like to see him with a better sideline attitude then he shows, but then again I would be pretty pissed off too when I've already been sacked 11 times and hit 20 times in 2 games.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Hey ResALien, you can cut down Rivers, but i didnt think you had time to do that sitting there with your Jergens lotion and picture of Tim "the saviour" Tebow... GO BRONCOS

What in the...did I miss a memo?

Rivers is a decent QB but Turner will hold your team back, he's just a crappy coach, especially when it counts. And I've said many times that Teebus isn't the saviour but at least give him a shot, the Broncos are in rebuild mode. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

[Deegee]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Buffalo and Washington will not make the playoffs. Ryan Fitzpatrick and Rex Grossman? I don't think so.

I'm biased, but Buffalo has a shot.

Fantastic running game and Fitzpatrick has managed the games exceedingly well so far. He hasn't had much of a deep ball threat, but his passes have been accurate enough to allow the running game to do what they've done. Not too mention how clutch he has been. Two successes facing 4th down situations cannot be discounted in a great comeback win against the Raiders.

If Buffalo doesn't make the playoffs it will be because of a couple of glaring personnel issues in their rush and pass D play, not Fitz.

The divisional games will be huge this year.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Deegee

I'm biased, but Buffalo has a shot.

Fantastic running game and Fitzpatrick has managed the games exceedingly well so far. He hasn't had much of a deep ball threat, but his passes have been accurate enough to allow the running game to do what they've done. Not too mention how clutch he has been. Two successes facing 4th down situations cannot be discounted in a great comeback win against the Raiders.

If Buffalo doesn't make the playoffs it will be because of a couple of glaring personnel issues in their rush and pass D play, not Fitz.

The divisional games will be huge this year.

Buffalo actually has a shot at somewhere between 8-8 and 10-6 due to schedule, but I don't see them making any noise in the playoffs if they sneak in as a second wild card.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Deegee

I'm biased, but Buffalo has a shot.

Fantastic running game and Fitzpatrick has managed the games exceedingly well so far. He hasn't had much of a deep ball threat, but his passes have been accurate enough to allow the running game to do what they've done. Not too mention how clutch he has been. Two successes facing 4th down situations cannot be discounted in a great comeback win against the Raiders.

If Buffalo doesn't make the playoffs it will be because of a couple of glaring personnel issues in their rush and pass D play, not Fitz.

The divisional games will be huge this year.

It will also be because they are Buffalo, and they are cursed to a sad and pathetic existence. It's the way the world works.

[Lil Pedro]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

What in the...did I miss a memo?

Rivers is a decent QB but Turner will hold your team back, he's just a crappy coach, especially when it counts. And I've said many times that Teebus isn't the saviour but at least give him a shot, the Broncos are in rebuild mode. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

Norv Turner is not holding the Chargers back. What holds them back is stupid mental lapses and their special teams. Also, you and I both know that Philip Rivers is not just a decent quarterback. Sure he hasn't won yet in the playoffs (only been to the AFC finals once, and did play on a torn ACL), but hes a battler, a hell of a play reader and can sling the ball out to any of his top receivers/TE. The team collectively just needs to get over that hump.
I got no problem with Jay Cutler. I didn't like him in Denver but I understood he had a chance to be a really good quarterback under the right offense and tutelage from a good OC. In Chicago, I think he's turning into a smarter quarterback who instead of trying to force it now will accept the third and long play. Also, the guys pretty tough, takes a lot of sacks due to a weak offensive line.
Finally, the Broncos are in a rebuild mode, I agree with your point. However, if they want any long term stability at the second most important position in football (sorry but in my view, the offensive line as a whole is the most important) they need to keep Kyle Orton and begin to start developing Brady Quinn. Tim Tebow was a good college QB, but will not survive in the NFL game. Either trade him as an asset or start giving him reps in the TE position.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Deegee

I'm biased, but Buffalo has a shot.

Buffalo and Detroit and both overrated at the moment. Everyone is gaga over how many points they have scored this year. What is the one thing the Lions and Bills have in common so far this season?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Norv Turner is not holding the Chargers back. What holds them back is stupid mental lapses and their special teams. Also, you and I both know that Philip Rivers is not just a decent quarterback. Sure he hasn't won yet in the playoffs (only been to the AFC finals once, and did play on a torn ACL), but hes a battler, a hell of a play reader and can sling the ball out to any of his top receivers/TE. The team collectively just needs to get over that hump.

Mental lapses fall on the shoulders of the head coach. It's his job to have his team mentally prepared from week to week.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by valo403

Mental lapses fall on the shoulders of the head coach. It's his job to have his team mentally prepared from week to week.

Agreed Marty Schottenheimer >>> Turner. If they were going to get rid of Schotty why did they replace him with an old retread who has accomplished less than Schottenheimer. Worst decision ever. Chargers won't win it under Turner.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

What in the...did I miss a memo?

Rivers is a decent QB but Turner will hold your team back, he's just a crappy coach, especially when it counts. And I've said many times that Teebus isn't the saviour but at least give him a shot, the Broncos are in rebuild mode. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

Don't forget the Lord of No Rings at GM as well. Good thing there wasn't a high-end player that needed to be resigned this offseason or else we would be seeing him in week 13!

[Lil Pedro]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Don't forget the Lord of No Rings at GM as well. Good thing there wasn't a high-end player that needed to be resigned this offseason or else we would be seeing him in week 13!

Guess you've never heard of Eric Weddle?

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Guess you've never heard of Eric Weddle?

You mean the guy the Chargers overpaid for? Funny that they will throw $10 million a year at a guy who isn't even the best at his position in his division, but will not show past players like Jackson respect. I get the difference between a unrestricted free agent and a restricted, but on order to make a run at a championship your players can't be unhappy.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Don't forget the Lord of No Rings at GM as well. Good thing there wasn't a high-end player that needed to be resigned this offseason or else we would be seeing him in week 13!

there would be more than a few organizations that would have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a huge signing bonus, after all he was arrested for a DUI on a playoff game day... AJ Smith gets a lot of heat but he is better than most.. at least in my opinion.

[Spuds_Buckley]

Very happy to hear the Ravens signed Ngata to a five year extension today. That guy is a beast...

[Lil Pedro]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

there would be more than a few organizations that would have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a huge signing bonus, after all he was arrested for a DUI on a playoff game day... AJ Smith gets a lot of heat but he is better than most.. at least in my opinion.

Agreed. Plus you have to remember the labor uncertainty that all GM's were faced with going into the offseason last year. It would be absolutely crazy for AJ Smith to give Jackson a multi-year contract without fully understanding the new CBA and its affects on player contracts. Criticize him all you want, but i feel he made the smart move by waiting and letting him hold out. Has it cost them yet? Sure they missed the playoffs last year, and maybe would have one another game or two with him in the lineup early on, but at the end of the day, hes still a Charger. And more importantly, AJ Smith understands his value now without him in the lineup.