PC Leadership Race- Redford wins.

[First Lady]

Calgary Buffalo


Mar 182
Horner 16
Morton 63
Orman 56
Redford 205
Griffiths 11

[First Lady]

Calgary Fort

Mar 96
Horner 5
Morton 28
Orman 27
Redford 56
Griffiths 4

[First Lady]

Calgary Montrose


Mar 199
Horner 1
Morton 39
Orman 321
Redford 23
Griffiths 3

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yes, you are out of your mind, because you exercised your equal say in 2008, and will have your next chance as early as this fall. Are you so naive as to believe that changing the head will change the beast? Albertans voted for a PC government. That is what they had yesterday, and that is what they will have tomorrow. This leadership vote won't change that fact.

When I exercised that right, I was aware of who the Party leader was and could make my decision accordingly. Throwing in a new leader because the other one wanted to retire shows the lack of planning by the PC's as they had several months to elect a new leader and have a new election. This sort of behaviour is rare in other countries. And completely unnecessary. The PC's could have voted on their new candidate, called the election for October 1st or shortly before so that when Stelmach left on October 1st, there was a fairly decided new Premier in place. Not just who the PC's decided to put in.

And yes, to an extent, obviously the government would change slightly as all PC candidates have said they would be making changes to the way Stelmach did things. We will wake up to a slightly different PC government, perhaps one that if we had another vote and let Albertans decide, they would not vote for. Again, we are a democratic country and having someone assigned to lead by private vote because that party was already in place is a poor excuse. Some people vote by party, some by leader. And this is not like a death where you couldn't plan. The PC's had plenty of time to do this in the fairest possible manner. Sadly, they opted not to. Speaks volume of the Party.

[First Lady]

Dunvegan Central peace


Mar 56
Horner 250
Morton 31
Orman 13
Redford 20
Griffiths 27

[First Lady]

Edm Centre


Mar 217
Horner 49
Morton 40
Orman 15
Redford 115
Griffiths 23

[First Lady]

Edm Strathcona


Mar 137
Horner 48
Morton30
Orman 11
Redford 104
Griffiths 20

[jtfrogger]

I forgot about the AB Liberals. Interesting about France, because that is a party that actually has a real chance.

I prefer that you have to be a member to vote for the leader of the party. The dollar amount is not prohibitive in any way. But the membership holds back people that do not want to hold membership in the party for any particular reason. If you don't believe in the party, you can vote against them in the free public vote.

[First Lady]

Lesser Slave Lake

Mar 60
Horner 132
Morton 18
Orman 8
Redford 13
Griffiths 14

[Bunk]

I think Rural Albertans like moustaches. Second Ballot strategy?

[First Lady]

Stony Plain


Mar 112
Horner 248
Morton 49
Orman 10
Redford 64
Griffiths 7

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Drury18

When I exercised that right, I was aware of who the Party leader was and could make my decision accordingly. Throwing in a new leader because the other one wanted to retire shows the lack of planning by the PC's as they had several months to elect a new leader and have a new election. This sort of behaviour is rare in other countries. And completely unnecessary. The PC's could have voted on their new candidate, called the election for October 1st or shortly before so that when Stelmach left on October 1st, there was a fairly decided new Premier in place. Not just who the PC's decided to put in.

And yes, to an extent, obviously the government would change slightly as all PC candidates have said they would be making changes to the way Stelmach did things. We will wake up to a slightly different PC government, perhaps one that if we had another vote and let Albertans decide, they would not vote for. Again, we are a democratic country and having someone assigned to lead by private vote because that party was already in place is a poor excuse. Some people vote by party, some by leader. And this is not like a death where you couldn't plan. The PC's had plenty of time to do this in the fairest possible manner. Sadly, they opted not to. Speaks volume of the Party.

When are you going to understand that when you vote in the provincial election you are not voting for the leader of the party you are voting for the candidate in your constituency. The leader of the party can change anytime, that doesn't mean a new provincial election should be called.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Drury18

When I exercised that right, I was aware of who the Party leader was and could make my decision accordingly. Throwing in a new leader because the other one wanted to retire shows the lack of planning by the PC's as they had several months to elect a new leader and have a new election. This sort of behaviour is rare in other countries. And completely unnecessary. The PC's could have voted on their new candidate, called the election for October 1st or shortly before so that when Stelmach left on October 1st, there was a fairly decided new Premier in place. Not just who the PC's decided to put in.

I guess you are naive. Like I said, in our system, you don't vote for a party leader. It is not the PC Party's fault that the system doesn't work the way you want it to. Like it or not, the new Premier is being fairly decided.

Additionally, your argument is quite simply, wrong. This entire leadership election is a specific act of planning by the PCs. They are electing their new leader now in an effort to give their image a boost into the next election. And they will call the next general election when it is most advantageous to them. Welcome to 150 years of Canadian politics.

And yes, to an extent, obviously the government would change slightly as all PC candidates have said they would be making changes to the way Stelmach did things. We will wake up to a slightly different PC government, perhaps one that if we had another vote and let Albertans decide, they would not vote for. Again, we are a democratic country and having someone assigned to lead by private vote because that party was already in place is a poor excuse. Some people vote by party, some by leader. And this is not like a death where you couldn't plan. The PC's had plenty of time to do this in the fairest possible manner. Sadly, they opted not to. Speaks volume of the Party.

The policies of the governing party changes slightly all the time for a myriad of reasons. This is just another reason, and nothing earth shattering. In fact, the problem that none of these candidates are earth shatteringly different is a complaint Preston Manning made about the PC party's overall health.

[First Lady]

30/87

Mar 5171
Horner 3793
Morton 1938
Orman 1112
Redford 2219
Griffiths 711

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by First Lady

30/87

Mar 5171
Horner 3793
Morton 1938
Orman 1112
Redford 2219
Griffiths 711

Mar's down to barely a third of the vote. You just know the other parties are salivating at the prospect of another compromise leader.

I can't wait to see how many "Stelmach 2.0" ads we'll see.

[First Lady]

CTV Twitter: Tory vote percentage : Gary Mar: 35 % Doug Horner 25 % Alison Redford 15 % Ted Morton 13 % Rick Orman 7 % Doug Griffiths 5 % #yyc #pcldr

[Bunk]

I suspect the closer Horner gets to Mar, the better it is for...Redford for the second ballot. Mar and Horner supporters, will most likely out of fear of the other leading candidate will stick in the 3rd place candidate as second preference. Much like in 2006 with Stelmach.

If Mar is a good 10% ahead by the end of the night, I think that will be tough to catch.

[First Lady]

Wish I could get a list of the counters. I would create a "do not hire for bookkeeping" list..... Just kidding.... I know they are volunteers.

[jtfrogger]

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[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by jtfrogger

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Ooh, they're going to announce their 31st poll!