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Old 09-14-2011, 12:44 AM   #81
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Amazing game!
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Nice. Best way to deal with that 'insult' was just to go out there and win.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:49 AM   #83
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Great Win but did they have to play Avril Lavigne Incessantly after every score
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Great Win but did they have to play Avril Lavigne Incessantly after every score
Seriously? Wife was sleeping so I had it on mute. That's terrible heh
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:54 AM   #85
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That was my first ever rugby game that Ive watched. Good thing I had a few friends who knew the game so they could explain it to me. From the looks of it, it looked like a great game. Always glad to see Canada win. That beard is epic too!
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:56 AM   #86
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Take that Tonga! Hope those 11 starters left enough room for some humble pie.

Next up, the dirty French...lets hope they surrender 11 starters as well.

That said, watched a bit of the game a couple days ago, when Japan was getitng close, and the theatrics from the French coaches box was enjoyable as they're busy infighting with each other.
Somehow another upset, and Canada would be almost through to the QF's, as long as they take out Japan, and then could call on the backups to get pummled by NZ in a nothing game for both teams.
If a loss, then they'd need some help from Tonga to take down the French, while still taking care of Japan.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:27 AM   #87
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Top game of rugby that. Fantastic at the breakdown, resolute in defence, huge tackles made. Forced Tonga into too many mistakes. Fit, well-organized and hungry can make up for a lack of natural ball-handling skill especially against sides like Tonga.

Well worth the 6am wake up.
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:12 AM   #88
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This is a good time to be living in New Zealand!!!


Coming back in November for the 2011/12 season... so excited!
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:02 AM   #89
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Taste it Tonga!
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:25 AM   #90
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woo! if Canada can somehow beat the frenchm they're in the quarters!
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:29 AM   #91
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^ Up against a top level team on short rest. That would be one hell of an upset!

How do the bonus points in the standings work? I had thought it was for scoring four tries in a game... do you get one for each four tries overall? I'm not sure how Tonga has one bonus point.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:46 AM   #92
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How do the bonus points in the standings work? I had thought it was for scoring four tries in a game... do you get one for each four tries overall? I'm not sure how Tonga has one bonus point.
Points are awarded as follows:

4 points for a win.
2 points for a draw.
1 "bonus" point for scoring 4 tries (or more).
1 "bonus" point for losing by 7 points (or fewer).

Tonga has one bonus point because they lost to Canada by fewer than 7 points.
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I see, thanks. And that is a stupid rule. Failure does not deserve a reward.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:22 AM   #94
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loooooooser point!

I know up against France on short rest will be tough but France looked shaky in game 1.. giving up 20+ points for JAPAN!

In one game, you never know!!!!!
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:05 AM   #95
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Enjoyed that game. Tonga missed a few goal kicks.

Can an expert explain for a newbie the point of scrums (and line-outs to a lesser extent)? It seems that the team throwing the ball in, almost always gets control.

Bring on the all-blacks!

If you are curious about Tonga (population 104,000):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonga

Tonga was named the sixth most corrupt country in the world by Forbes magazine in 2008.

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Old 09-14-2011, 09:22 AM   #96
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Enjoyed that game. Tonga missed a few goal kicks.

Can an expert explain for a newbie the point of scrums (and line-outs to a lesser extent)? It seems that the team throwing the ball in, almost always gets control.

Bring on the all-blacks!

If you are curious about Tonga (population 104,000):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonga

Tonga was named the sixth most corrupt country in the world by Forbes magazine in 2008.
That was a great game and Canada played really well. Both teams had a few issues here and there, but the gap between the top 10 and the next ten is big in international rugby. Canada needed to win this and beat Japan to have any hope. I hope they can do something miraculous against France, but it would be amazing.

Both the lineouts and scrums are usually won by the teams putting the ball in, but not always. Think of the scrum as a faceoff where you drop the puck for your teammate. You have a signal for when to drop the puck and as a result you win the draw more often than not. Its a little different in rugby, but thats the overview. For the lineout the teams also get to select which jumper (how far back in the line) they're going to throw the ball. It is an advantage, without question, but there are also quite a few opportunities defensively in both situations. Against the US a month ago for example Canada could hardly keep their own lineout ball. Cudmore being back though seems to have rectified that.
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Enjoyed that game. Tonga missed a few goal kicks.

Can an expert explain for a newbie the point of scrums (and line-outs to a lesser extent)? It seems that the team throwing the ball in, almost always gets control.
*Disclaimer* The below explanation is being made by a prop... */Disclaimer*

Scrum:

A scrum occurs when a team commits an infraction that is not worth of a penalty. Some of these infractions are as follows:

1) Knock on - losing possession of the ball forwards
2) Forward pass
3) Unintentional obstruction - this is a grey area and it is really up to the ref if it was intentional or not. An intentional obstruction is a penalty.
4) Ball stuck in a ruck or maul.

The scrum gives the team who get to put the ball into the scrum an opportunity to earn full possession. As far as why a scrum is used I do not really know the history.

Line-out

Conducted when a ball goes out of play (into "touch"). Similar to a scrum, allows the team throwing the ball an opportunity to gain full possession. Also a great opportunity to set up a rolling maul, we saw several of these in the Tonga game, one lead to the last Canadian try.

Method of going into touch - result

Player steps into touch - Opposing teams line-out

Ball inside of 22* line kicked into touch - Opposing teams line-out where ball crossed into touch

Ball outside of 22 line kicked into touch - Opposing teams line-out where the ball was kicked from (This is called going out on "the full")

Team awarded a penalty kicks into touch - team retains possession and gets line-out where ball entered touch.

* - The ball needs to start inside the 22. If the ball is brought back inside the 22 by the kicking team and then kicked into touch, this is treated as if the ball went out on the full and the line-out takes place at the point where the ball was kicked from.

Quick line-out: If the ball goes into touch, the team who get to throw can take a quick line out (throw it in before everyone gets there) provided the ball was not interfered with (hits a wall, fan, touch judge, ect.).

Please ask more questions if you have any, it would be my pleasure to talk about the game.

My Game Takes:

Overall, I think Tongo took Canada too lightly. They chose to sit 11 of their starters and it showed through some undisciplined and sloppy play. That said, Canada had a fantastic game. Their tackling was fantastic and they were a solid wall at every breakdown. They made numerous tackles on Tonga behind the gain line. Tonga is know for hard hitting play around the breakdowns and Canada more than held their own.

Tonga's kicker let them down in the first half, but he did have a huge wind to contend with. He was nowhere near as terrible as Wilkinson was for England.

Canada's #6 was fantastic and more than deserving of the man of the match. He had an amazing game and made some crunching tackles.

Canada's entire pack performed great in the scrum and deserves recognition. They held their own against a big pack from Tonga. If anyone watch the USA's first game, their pack was on rollerskates during every scrum and got molested in their first game.

Great game to watch and an awesome result.
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Kleeburger also has the awesome beard! As the commentator noted "he's 27 years old, but that beard maybe older than him."

(OK, not a direct quote but thats pretty close and hilarious!)
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:52 PM   #99
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It really seemed that the commentators were quietly rooting for Canada, it was nice.
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Old 09-15-2011, 06:17 PM   #100
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My understanding of scrums is that theoretically, the ball is supposed to be sent towards the middle of it. then the stronger team pushes forward to bring the ball to their guy. In practice, the guy who has the ball just throws it to the back of his line, and play continues.

Evidently no scrums in rugby league?
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