But she could have been. It was alluded that she had a connection with the force.
Yeah, but she's no more a Jedi in RotJ than Luke was in ANH. She has potential, but she hasn't received any training and doesn't know how to harness her powers.
Seems to me that the restorations had nothing to do with wrecking the original negatives but rather it's the fault of Kodak using crappy chemicals and the production using bad film that degrades naturally over time.
But the Empire wasn't crushed. All they did was just lose another Death Star which after losing the first one, doesn't seem like a big deal to them. They also lost the Emperor, but knowing him, he probably has a bunch of evil clones hanging around.
The rebels achieved a small victory but the entire empire still exists as the major force in the galaxy. Until the Rebels conquer Coruscant, nothing has really changed.
I look at this differently since the PT came out. I assumed there was a "good guy" system that existed until the "bad guys" came and crushed them to the verge of annihilation, at which point the "good guys" managed to start fighting back and win some battles (seen in the SW OT).
This is all just one Republic though though. The "good guys" were always in charge, the "bad guys" just usurped things for a while when Palpatine was around. He manipulated the political situation, created the clone wars, and ended that conflict when he assumed power and had those leaders killed. All united, for a while. His death and defeat spreads like wildfire around the galaxy, and shows the overhwelmingly positive response. The military is still around, but they serve the political arm of the Republic. They never overthrew anything as a military coup, they just followed orders. They would follow orders of the new Republic too...for the most part. Just like Napolean or Alexander or others, the empire doesn't last beyond the person.
You know, its a shame that most of the EU is total garbage, where every book has a supervillian of the week with a super weapon of the week. Of a slab of golden meat that eats people.
The best thing that came out of the prequels is that they invalidated most of the early EU books.
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I seem to recall at the time that they wanted to still use the puppet as an homage to Frank Oz or something something...I can't remember half the crap Muren said in the special features on TPM. What was probably closer to the truth is that they weren't confident enough in the technology to deliver a performance from as important a character as Yoda.
It's not in the blu-ray though is it? at least not from what i've heard/seen. 3D version? lol
Seems to me that the restorations had nothing to do with wrecking the original negatives but rather it's the fault of Kodak using crappy chemicals and the production using bad film that degrades naturally over time.
I guess what I'm try to say through this is that there was an opportunity to painstakingly restore the original film from the damaged negatives as originally shot, but Lucas instead chose to revise it.
I thought those were released on DVD with one of the re-releases? Or was it that the "original, unedited" copies on DVD were still monkeyed with, because Star Wars had Episode IV in the crawl? I forget the minutia about it.
Yes you are correct, Lucas quietly, grudgingly included the original cuts of the original trilogy on the re-release of them on DVD in 2008. He still managed to slip in a characteristic big F U to everyone by not making the original cuts anamorphic or something (can't remember exactly) so the aspect ratio could have been better for home viewing.
Still probably better than laser disc rips though.
As for the Episode IV in the crawl, that has been unavoidable since the early 80's, he rotoscoped it in as soon as he knew Empire would be made.
Having an ending where Luke goes off depressed and alone, the Rebels are screwed is stupid.
I liked the ending, and the EU books pick up right afterwards (Truce at Bakura) and things are definitely shaky for the Rebels after the battle.
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To me Return of the Jedi is the Temple of Doom of the Indiana Jones Trilogy. Still pretty good on its one right, but not a classic when compared to the other entries in the original series. The Ewok's are the Kate Capshaw of the original trilogy. One wonders how Return of the Jedi would of been if Spielberg were allowed to direct...
I still love ROTJ just for the epic space battle, I still think it is the best one put on film.
I liked the ending, and the EU books pick up right afterwards (Truce at Bakura) and things are definitely shaky for the Rebels after the battle.
Forgot about that book, it had some solid points, Luke actually shown as beaten up and injured after being a human semi-conductor for evil, Vader shows up in his daughters room to apologize and she tells him to frack off.
Human sized Lizards who sucked the life energy out of people and put them into Battle Droids (Ok that plot line was just stupid)
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I still love ROTJ just for the epic space battle, I still think it is the best one put on film.
I liked it, but for some reason the one at the start of Revenge of the Sith blew me away for the sheer scope of the battle, and the amount of stuff that was happening, and the fact that you could still see it happening when Skywalker was fighting Dooku.
The opening drum beat where you see the Jedi Cruiser slowly moving in and things look pretty peaceful, then you see below the cruiser is just downright chaos.
The original Battlestar Galactica has a pretty epic and very emotional space battle. Especially when you see the President looking entirely stunned and calling out to Baltar who has left, then seeing the bridge of his battlestar torn open.
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I liked it, but for some reason the one at the start of Revenge of the Sith blew me away for the sheer scope of the battle, and the amount of stuff that was happening, and the fact that you could still see it happening when Skywalker was fighting Dooku.
The opening drum beat where you see the Jedi Cruiser slowly moving in and things look pretty peaceful, then you see below the cruiser is just downright chaos.
Much like everything else in the prequel trilogy, that scene should have been awesome, but Lucas f'ed it up completely. Instead of seeing cool star fighters manoeuvring and dogfighting and shooting at each other, we got about five minutes worth of stupid buzz droid gags. What kind of idiot engineer would even design a weapon like that anyway? How about instead of trying to slowly tear Anakin's ship apart piece by piece, why didn't the buzz droid have a built-in warhead and explode when it attaches itself to a ship?
In terms of shear scope, and cool things happening, I was utterly blown away by the Sith battle.
I remember going back and watching it again and on the one scene where the Jedi Fighters are buzzing by a trade federation ship you see activity through the windows of the bridge.
The Broadside battle between Trade Federation ships and the Jedi Cruiser were superior to the broadside battle between the Star Destroyer and Nebulon cruiser in Jedi.
The buzz droids made sense to me as they were equivalent to modern day mines.
Sure they could have had warheads, but whats the point of that in terms of the movie.
"Look master Buzz droids"
Ka Blam
"Frack we lost Obiwan"
The did have some cool dog fighting including one ARC-170 getting literally ripped apart and seeing bodies going everywhere.
Just the scope of the battle alone was superior to Jedi, the utter speed of the action, was far superior.
The problem with Jedi, was that I never got the feeling that the rebels were in any danger at all, the battle in Sith was well balanced.
I mean lets be honest, the Rebels were blasting tie fighters with relative ease, and all of a sudden it took two shots and a ramming to take out a Super Star Destroyer, which lost one bridge and suddenly spiraled out of control and into the Death Star.
Designer - "Yes Lord Vader we have designed a 10 km long ship that carries 100's of tie fighters has literally thousands of weapons on it, it will cause ultimate fear"
Vader = "Excellent, what about defensive measures"
Designer - "Well we have the most powerfull shields that money can buy, the generators are housed in lightly armoured ping pong balls here and here"
Vader - "But their shielded right?"
Designer - "No my lord, we needed to save money somewhere, a couple of Torpedo's could cause some problems"
Vader - "Hmm, I noticed that every aspect of the ship is controlled in this one room labeled Bridge, of course you have alternate bridges in case something happens there right"
Designer - "No Lord Vader, we spent that money on the 37 Starbucks that are scattered throughout the ship, and of course, we put a Luke Skywalker pinball machine in your quarters . . . Can't breath"
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I wanted to be blown away by the opening battle in ROTS but it just didn't do it for me. Personally I still think the ROTJ battle was much faster paced, and although they didn't go all out showing rebel capital ships being blown to pieces you got the impression that things were getting ugly once the Death Star started opening fire.
Those shots of the Millenium Falcon and fighters swooping around the massive capital ships with laser blasts and explosions everywhere just didn't seem to pop up in that scene in ROTS.
For the technology both films had at their respective times, I think ROTJ did it better.
Plus, Wedge was there.
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I mean lets be honest, the Rebels were blasting tie fighters with relative ease, and all of a sudden it took two shots and a ramming to take out a Super Star Destroyer, which lost one bridge and suddenly spiraled out of control and into the Death Star.
The X-Wing book series explains why Executor was defeated. It was mostly luck, but also arrogance (which also comes in the design of the ship too) on the Empire's part. If the deflector shields of Executor can demolish entire Star Destroyers instead of them colliding with the ship, then it was not that they were underpowered. The generators are also defended by the same shields.
The Empire relied on the factor of terror to make ships shy away from even engaging with Executor, which worked until Endor. When Lando suggested the fleet go full on attack on Executor, they weren't ready for it. I don't think the movie really shows just how devastating it was to attack a Super Star Destroyer, but the books certainly go into more detail about it. They were lucky that their combined assault lowered the shields enough for Y-Wings and A-Wings to fire missles at the generators. The Executor focused most of it's fire on the captial ships instead of the fighters, which was the other reason the alliance got lucky.
Anyway, the future Super Star Destroyers in the EU certainly caused more headaches for the Alliance than Executor did, I think. Warlord Zsinj was pretty smart about how he used Iron Fist for example, and the New Republic had a huge amount of trouble getting him. Most of the time, Super Star Destroyers were beaten by sabotage or stealth, not brute force. They're just too powerful to engage otherwise. The New Republic was able to capture one after severe losses on Coruscant and in many battles with it, and eventually built comparable Mon Calamari ships to take them on, but that was like 20-30 years after Endor.
But the problem is that none of that was in the movie. You didn't really see the Executer taking all that much damage until suddenly Ackbar between drunkenly mumbling "Its a trap" cries out "Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer". Three seconds later this massive ship gets hit by one firing run by two fighters, its shield drop and a fighter goes out of control into the bridge causing the Star Destroyer to careen into the Death Star.
To me that was the true forehead moment of the First trilogy.
Lets see, massive ship with lots of guns, shield generators don't seem to have shields and get taken out by the equivalent of a rifle shot. Then the bridge goes, aparently out of a crew of half a mill there was only one guy qualified to drive, and there were no other steering wheels on the ship except for that room that just got rammed.
So basically the Executer was that tough looking kid that everyone is scared of, until you see him punch like a girl.
Obviously the Empire has really bad engineers
Star Wars - We need to put an unshielded port right here that leads straight to a massive reactor.
Hey we could put a shield on it, oh we don't have the budget for that. How about we put guns around it to shoot down incoming torpedos, oh right budget, nail some plywood over it . . . Whats plywood
Empire Strikes back - Star Destroyer is taken out by two shots from the giant nipple cannon. Executor tractor beam has a specific range of 100 ft to 120 ft. Because the Falcon was certainly in range. Imperial rifle sight design still terrible.
Return of the Jedi - The exector fails again for the above reasons.
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