And that's what bugs me about some of the posters in this thread. They get all indignant and ridicule anyone that just might believe something out of the mainstream. Like you said, keep and open mind, consider alternative views, listen. There is nothing wrong with entertaining a conspiracy theory, in fact it can be a lot of fun. And if the truth really is the truth, it will stand the intense scrutiny.
Well one things for sure we all keep an open mind, some though use reason and logic and if you do you would see how impossible it is for this to be anything but what the majority of the world thinks. It was an act of terrorism and a bunch of somewhat incomponent and ego driven agencies and also some privacy laws could not prevent this from happening...even though they might of been able too. If Clinton had some balls he would of taken out Osama in the 90's but he didn't, even though he had two well document chances to do it.
If Barbara Bodine had not prevented FBI agent John O'Niel from entering Yemen things may have turned out different - he was hot on Al Qeada trail and if wasn't for her and some egos in the CIA - things may have been stopped.
There are logical and scientific reasons for most things we all question with respect to 9/11. You can't see the plane crashing into the pentagon from the surveillance footage? At the speed the plane was going, not suprised the human eye didn't catch it.
The problem is there is money to be made out and there are people who are waiting in line to be dupe by them.
I was watching a speech by Richard Gage the other day and i laughed when he proudly said he had 100's of architects and engineers in his group. Ha ha oh ya 100's out of millions good on ya buddy, keep up the good fight and keep collecting your thousands of dollars
I hestitate to call this an intelligence failure, cause the intelligence was there, the NSA wasn't sharing information with the FBI and the CIA is not allowed to operate in the USA - therefore not allowed to monitor the known Al Qaeda operatives living in the country whio where taking flight lessons.
So ya you can blame the US Goverment for letting it happen, but they aren't responsible in any way.
The demolition theory is one of the most laughable things out there for many reason some of which have been pointed out in this thread and some people who don't like being called whack jobs have not responded to this reason and logic
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Blaming the world for my personal failures? I'm fairly content in life at this point. I have never been unemployed or down and out as you put it.
I'm sorry you are incapable of independent thought. It takes great security in onself to hold an unpopular opinion/belief and not change myself in the face of ridicule or peer pressure.
I have never listened to George Noory. In fact it sounds like you listen to it alot with your intimate knowledge of the callers .......and no I don't believe in all conspiracies because I think 9-11 was a false flag terror attack. I thought it was all legit when it happened.
Hey, you forgot to throw in your lame "comic sans text" joke......
Wow, did you just use a 'not' joke.... what cutting edge humour you have.
I am capable of independent thought, and am just as open to the truth as anyone else. After seeing the evidence, I have come to the personal conclusion that 9/11 was exactly what it was, a terrorist attack by religious zealots. Show me something that doesn't use completely ludicrous scenarios like planted explosives, controlled demolition, lizard people, or a secret shadow government, and then I will look at alternatives.
You claim people buying the truth have a closed mind, and aren't open to all the fantastic alternatives, I would throw that back at you and say, truthers have closed minds, and refuse to believe anything but their quack pot theories.
You read the article I posted, and did exactly what was predicted in the first half the article. Took what fit your crazy agenda, and only looked at that aspect of it, and completely ignored the parts that do not fall into your conspiracy theory.
And yes, I do admit to listening to George Noory a lot. Fall asleep to it almost every night. It is great entertainment to listen to all the crack pots out there that think the world is out to get them. It is neat to get into the heads of the mentally ill, and find out what really makes them tick.
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Blaming the world for my personal failures? I'm fairly content in life at this point. I have never been unemployed or down and out as you put it.
I'm sorry you are incapable of independent thought. It takes great security in onself to hold an unpopular opinion/belief and not change myself in the face of ridicule or peer pressure.
I have never listened to George Noory. In fact it sounds like you listen to it alot with your intimate knowledge of the callers .......and no I don't believe in all conspiracies because I think 9-11 was a false flag terror attack. I thought it was all legit when it happened.
Hey, you forgot to throw in your lame "comic sans text" joke......
Respectfully, I know your holding yourself in heroic regard, however conspiracy theorists have an interesting version of the scientific method, they gather evidence that supports their conclusions and completely disregard any of the evidence that dismisses their claim. Then they scream from the ceiling that because of the evidence that they've chosen to disregard their theory must be true.
And applying independent thought concepts to a conspiracy theorist is really weird, since all conspiracy theorists seem to react according to some bizarre playbook.
on otherwords, the conspiracy theorist follows 4th grade school yard scientific theory of throwing unrelated facts at the wall in the hopes that they stick, and they also use the 4th grade debating method of yelling and calling people sheeple until that person leaves in bewilderment and then declaring victory.
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From what ive seen in this thread people that who believe the "official story" and dont think theres a chance that anything else could of happened are the ones following throwing around insults and not even considering other "theories"
From what ive seen in this thread people that who believe the "official story" and dont think theres a chance that anything else could of happened are the ones following throwing around insults and not even considering other "theories"
There is no logical evidence that something "else" could of happened. We all kept an open mind and looked at the facts,and most people just have a different conclusion than you.
But really you and others haven't kept an open mind, this thread continues to prove that you are ignoring facts that don't support your theory.
There is no logical evidence that something "else" could of happened. We all kept an open mind and looked at the facts,and most people just have a different conclusion than you.
But really you and others haven't kept an open mind, this thread continues to prove that you are ignoring facts that don't support your theory.
No, you really have not.
Keep telling yourself that though.
Im not ignoring any facts.
I dont have a theory..so...
No, you really have not.
Keep telling yourself that though.
Im not ignoring any facts.
I dont have a theory..so...
You know what I believe intelligence knows know bias. That an intelligent person should be able to understand all sides of an issue even if they do not agree with it.
I am not a religious person, I do not believe in any gods, I believe in evolution - but i understand why some people do believe in god and believe in creationism and are religious - it's simple human nature.
I also understand why some people stick their heads out on the talk circuit, create documentaries and write books about 911 and how its all one big conspiracy - its a fast way to make a buck or get your 15 minutes of fame.
But i have trouble understanding why joe blow on the internet who isn't making a buck or getting his 15 minutes of fame believes those who are when it comes to 911 - All i can think of its - lack of intelligence or lack of reasaonable thought when it comes to somethng this complex. Its just like religious people - don't have all the answers so blind faith keeps them warm at night and they search out the simplist answers. And once someone believes in something - IT IS HARD TO CHANGE THEIR MIND and they will only pay attention to things that support what they think.
I believe that anything is possible- but for a pretty incompentent US goverment - who has many internal agencies in constant conflict with each other to keep something like this under the rug - does not fall under any logical reasoning i can think of.
Are there questionable parts of the story, yup - but usually that means i don't have the understanding of why- but there are plenty of answers to those questions out there. Even some of the truthers have some good answers to those questions but lose totaly crediblity when i look at their answers to things i do understand.
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No, you really have not.
Keep telling yourself that though.
Im not ignoring any facts.
I dont have a theory..so...
Yes you are....you are ignoring every single one of them if you are still questioning what happened.
To all but the the "truthers" (who apparently are smarter/knowmore/can deduce more than every expert ever brought in on the myriad of goofy questions raised about this entire event)....its not only obvious and transparent as to what occurred, its entirely reasonable to accept and understand the results.
It's so damn frustrating to continue to hear the same bogus and lame "inconsistencies" of the days, get turned into this massive theory of willing participants being involved that, quite frankly, could never ever happen and stay covered up for a day, never mind 10 years and counting.
Sometimes,.... no...most times, things are just what they are...accept it, move on from it and hope that you never witness an atrocity like that again and you will be doing not only yourself a favor, but society and every survivor of that tragic day.
Yes you are....you are ignoring every single one of them if you are still questioning what happened.
To all but the the "truthers" (who apparently are smarter/knowmore/can deduce more than every expert ever brought in on the myriad of goofy questions raised about this entire event)....its not only obvious and transparent as to what occurred, its entirely reasonable to accept and understand the results.
It's so damn frustrating to continue to hear the same bogus and lame "inconsistencies" of the days, get turned into this massive theory of willing participants being involved that, quite frankly, could never ever happen and stay covered up for a day, never mind 10 years and counting.
Sometimes,.... no...most times, things are just what they are...accept it, move on from it and hope that you never witness an atrocity like that again and you will be doing not only yourself a favor, but society and every survivor of that tragic day.
What facts am I ignoring? My views have changed from what I had originally posted in here last year.
Fact is a legit video of a plane hitting the pentagon has not been released. Its reasonable enough to ask why.
Post a video of your birth, cause I really don't believe you are real.
I'm not sure you could have made a worse comparison.
edit - got bored so did some searching. Apologies if this has been posted before, anyone care to comment on this video? And try to keep your comments civil, thanks.
So that video proves nothing and there are reasonable explanations for everything. See http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm for example. What conspiracy theorists never seem to be able to explain is the government is so brilliant as to be able to get hundreds or thousands of people in on a conspiracy (including a bunch of Joe six packs and Susie lunch pails) set charges without anyone noticing but at the last minute forgot to set charges on every floor so it looked more like an explosion or never thought to worry that the scientific community might not believe the jet fuel story?
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I'm not sure you could have made a worse comparison.
edit - got bored so did some searching. Apologies if this has been posted before, anyone care to comment on this video? And try to keep your comments civil, thanks.
There's absolutely nothing in there that I hasn't been talked about before, and discussed ad naseum.
If you look at the debunk site that was just posted above, there are multiple pages on WTC 7.
It was an illusion caused by camera angles that made it look like a controlled demolition, but if you look at the photo's and diagrams on that site of the aftermath and the debris field its either the most incompetently done controlled demolition or wasn't one.
Also its laughable that some of these people stare at the video of the collapse and state controlled demolition, without knowing the buildings structure, or the damage to the building previous to the collapse, pictures of which are also on the above debunking site.
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Spurred by conspiracy theorists' questions, investigators did look specifically at the possibility that explosives were involved. "Hypothetical blast events did not play a role in the collapse of WTC 7," the report states, adding that investigators "found no evidence whose explanation required invocation of a blast event." Moreover, the smallest charge capable of initiating column failure "would have resulted in a sound level of 130 dB [decibels] to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile." Witnesses did not report hearing such a loud noise, nor is one audible on recordings of the collapse
So that video proves nothing and there are reasonable explanations for everything. See http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm for example. What conspiracy theorists never seem to be able to explain is the government is so brilliant as to be able to get hundreds or thousands of people in on a conspiracy (including a bunch of Joe six packs and Susie lunch pails) set charges without anyone noticing but at the last minute forgot to set charges on every floor so it looked more like an explosion or never thought to worry that the scientific community might not believe the jet fuel story?
The last video on that page is enough to put it to rest. Clear, concise evidence. However I am sure there is one pixel out of place that resembles an illuminati shadow lizard to some truther out there.
Blaming the world for my personal failures? I'm fairly content in life at this point. I have never been unemployed or down and out as you put it.
I'm sorry you are incapable of independent thought. It takes great security in onself to hold an unpopular opinion/belief and not change myself in the face of ridicule or peer pressure.
I have never listened to George Noory. In fact it sounds like you listen to it alot with your intimate knowledge of the callers .......and no I don't believe in all conspiracies because I think 9-11 was a false flag terror attack. I thought it was all legit when it happened.
Hey, you forgot to throw in your lame "comic sans text" joke......
If the government is so evil and lying to everyone making up a HUGE conspiracy, blowing up their own people in controlled demolitions destroying billions of dollars of real estate why do yo, Mickey, live in that society? Why don't you just pack your bags and go someplace that's not full of all thexe terrible people controling hundreds of millions of people through the media and live you life happy and peaceful?
Surely there's a place where your beliefs are welcome that's not wasting my tax dollars.
BTW, one of the great arguments by conspiracy theorists is that the CIA is a competent and deadly shadow organization that has either planned or driven most of these government events.
I would highly recommend reading the book "Legacy of Ashes The history of the CIA" by Tim Weiner. Which shows that since the days of Wild Bill Donovan the CIA has not has competent leadership and was more concerned with its internal rivalries between departments, and external rivalries with other intelligence organizations in the States to actually accomplish anything nearing competence.
The book illustrates that nearly every leader since its founding has left the CIA worse then the man he replaced.
If the CIA had a proper flag it would feature a likeness of Laurel and Hardy.
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