Martin attacks Layton...for not attacking Harper

[HOZ]

What in the worldhas happened to the juggernaut Liberal war room???

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2...in-layton.html

So......will Layton attack Martin for attacking him for not attacking Harper?


Layton

not attacking Harper

In our cities

In Canada

We didn't make this up.

[Resolute 14]

Layton's politics are ridiculous, but he is not a stupid man. Layton is not going to be winning votes away from the conservatives, but from left leaning liberals. Martin is his only logical target if he expects to make real gains.

[Incinerator]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Layton's politics are ridiculous, but he is not a stupid man. Layton is not going to be winning votes away from the conservatives, but from left leaning liberals. Martin is his only logical target if he expects to make real gains.

No kiddin', people who would remotely consider voting Conservative would not give the NDP a chance in hell. Fringe Liberal voters on the other hand can be had if Layton gives a convincing enough sell.

[Thunderball]

except in BC. That's why Harper released that hilarious ad against Layton in BC. This dates back to the Reform and NDP being seen as the least pro-federal government parties, as BC has always felt distant from the system.

[Jayems]

I still cant get over that soldier thing... what the hell were they thinking.

Canadian soldiers, with guns, patroling our streets, shooting people at will... children... homeless people... no one is safe...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I still cant get over that soldier thing... what the hell were they thinking.

Canadian soldiers, with guns, patroling our streets, shooting people at will... children... homeless people... no one is safe...

But...but....but...its the CONS that are scary and fearmongering....just ask the Liberals!! They say so.

[Lurch]

But...but....but...its the CONS that are scary and fearmongering....just ask the Liberals!! They say so.

If you want to throw out flippant nonsense, at least try to get it straight. I said the whole 'scary' thing was a handy EXCUSE for the Conservatives for losing. It's much easier than saying our policies were too right wing, Harper campaigned poorly, members continually said stupid things in the media, etc ad nauseum.

Contrast it to this election - Conservatives have largely muzzled their idiots, policy has shifted to the centre, Harper has been effective, etc. If the Liberals say "Negative Conservative advertising gave us a bad image" would that be an EXCUSE for losing? Why yes it would - and with your self-professed open mindedness, I'm sure you'll manage to see at least this half of the point. From there, it's not a big leap to work back to the previous election cycle and recognize an EXCUSE for losers, regardless of which side of the fence they are on.

[transplant99]

I said the whole 'scary' thing was a handy EXCUSE for the Conservatives for losing.

Sensitive much?

Who said I was talking about you??

Im directly referencing the Liberal Grand Poobah. Get over yourself dude.

Martin suggested Harper is challenging the integrity of the courts because he harbours desires to rescind gay marriage and abortion rights.

"He's contemplating something. He wants free rein for some reason. He wants to do something very badly, and he's afraid the courts are going to stop him," he said.
Martin pulled out the Harper bugaboo tool that worked so well for him in the last election as two new polls yesterday show the Liberals making a comeback, particularly in all-important vote-rich Ontario

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Election...99690-sun.html

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I still cant get over that soldier thing... what the hell were they thinking.

Canadian soldiers, with guns, patroling our streets, shooting people at will... children... homeless people... no one is safe...

Did anyone catch the Rick Mercer Report last night? It was gold. They were making fun of those Liberal attack ads.

First they had a bunch of 10 year olds launch attack ads against each other in a school election and then they made fun of the Liberal ads on tv right now. They had one that showed an evil looking Harper and went something along the lines of:

Stephen Harper has a dragon.
We're not making this up.
He keeps in it his shed.
We're not allowed to lie about this stuff.
Stephen Harper drinks his own blood.
It's true.
We saw him.
We're not allowed to make this up.

Then they showed Martin's face along with the Liberal logo and the slogan "Let's see how badly we can lose this thing".

I couldn't quit laughing about it for about an hour afterwards.

[Resolute 14]

Since when did our courts have integrity?

The entire government needs an overhaul, and that includes the judiciary.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Layton's politics are ridiculous, but he is not a stupid man. Layton is not going to be winning votes away from the conservatives, but from left leaning liberals.

I don't think that's necessarily true.

I think there are a lot of people who will potentially vote Conservative just as an anti-Liberal vote, and Layton wants to steal those votes from the Conservatives. He can't side with the Liberals, but he definitely needs to do what he can to paint himself as the more responsible anti-Liberal vote.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Lurch

If you want to throw out flippant nonsense, at least try to get it straight. I said the whole 'scary' thing was a handy EXCUSE for the Conservatives for losing. It's much easier than saying our policies were too right wing, Harper campaigned poorly, members continually said stupid things in the media, etc ad nauseum.

Contrast it to this election - Conservatives have largely muzzled their idiots, policy has shifted to the centre, Harper has been effective, etc. If the Liberals say "Negative Conservative advertising gave us a bad image" would that be an EXCUSE for losing? Why yes it would - and with your self-professed open mindedness, I'm sure you'll manage to see at least this half of the point. From there, it's not a big leap to work back to the previous election cycle and recognize an EXCUSE for losers, regardless of which side of the fence they are on.

I think that is right on the button. Harper mentioned his desire for a free vote on same-sex marriage early in the campaign so he wouldn't get hit with it in the stretch run and it worked. Now it is old news. CPC has run a tight campaign, never being put on the defensive while the Liberal campaign has been on defense the entire time.

[Lurch]

Sensitive much?

Who said I was talking about you??

Im directly referencing the Liberal Grand Poobah. Get over yourself dude.

My mistake dude - I guess the 78th time seeing your same clever witticism duped me man. The last time I bothered in one of these allpollylitical-type threads, that was the topic, dude. My bad presuming a context that wasn't there, ace.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lurch

My mistake dude - I guess the 78th time seeing your same clever witticism duped me man. The last time I bothered in one of these allpollylitical-type threads, that was the topic, dude. My bad presuming a context that wasn't there, ace.

I figured you are easily duped.

You do support the Liberals afterall.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Mike F

I don't think that's necessarily true.

I think there are a lot of people who will potentially vote Conservative just as an anti-Liberal vote, and Layton wants to steal those votes from the Conservatives. He can't side with the Liberals, but he definitely needs to do what he can to paint himself as the more responsible anti-Liberal vote.

Yeah, Layton has said that he wants to "borrow" the Liberal supporter's vote

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Layton's politics are ridiculous, but he is not a stupid man. Layton is not going to be winning votes away from the conservatives, but from left leaning liberals. Martin is his only logical target if he expects to make real gains.

I believe Mike Duffy summarized Layton's day yesterday as "the chicken little school of politics".

[Lurch]

I figured you are easily duped.

You do support the Liberals afterall.

Care to find something, anything to suggest that is true sparky. Disliking the remains of the Reform in the party does not nearly equate to supporting Liberals, except apparently in your mind. I think even Harper has figured out this is true for a large number of Canadians, and is expressly running his campaign on a moderate platform.

Given a choice solely between a Stockwell Day led Reform party (or someone like that) and the Liberals, I'd vote Liberal even if Chretien personally robbed me at an ATM to fund AdScam. That is in no way an endorsement of the Liberals though, and luckily there are many other choices that at least somewhat represent my views.

[KevanGuy]

Easy on the personal stuff guys.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Ironically, Layton attacking Harper regularly would probably cause NDP voters to vote Liberal in fear of a Conservative Government.

Layton isn't a stupid person. He's actually run a pretty good campaign much to Martin's dismay.

[ken0042]

I could have swore I saw an ad on TV from the NDP that "attacked" both CPC and Liberal at the same time.

I have attacked in quotes because some of the attack ads have helped re-afirm my choice in voting Conservative.