Entourage-8th and Final Season Discussion Thread

[Coach]

I hope Ari and wife dont end up back together. She's been a huge bitch since the Lizzy Grant stuff. I think last night was Ari really telling her go f*** herself and he's done with it.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

When wasn't it, frankly? Pretty much been like that since '07. I actually haven't minded this season, I don't think I cast quite the critical eye some do for it. I just wish they'd wrap up this whole Ari/wifey thing. I can't believe how much they're drawing it out, to the point where its pretty much the main storyline of the season. C'mon, man. I mean...c'mon, man.

Ari's character just sucks this season, they've completely neutered him. Hasn't had one good Lloyd rant all year, or rant in general. He's just a big wuss now. He's sad from the divorce, I get it. Let's move on now, shall we? (although I know its gonna end up with them back together, which is lame)

Aside from that whole thing though, I actually haven't minded this year too much. Drama's storyline's been decent, this show could always use more Drama. I find the Eric storyline actually pretty amusing and interesting too.

EDIT: And I think I'm the only person here that actually gets a kick out of Scott. Small doses, but he makes me laugh. He's so Poochy.

Except that would be ridiculous. Oh, your marriage of 20 years is crumbling but we're going to write your character as if he's full of life. It would make absolutely no sense.

The complaints about this show are hilarious, I mean look back two pages and people are complaining about how problems just get wrapped up in the blink of an eye and now people are complaining that problems are actually explored and impact the characters. It's a lose-lose.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I hope Ari and wife dont end up back together. She's been a huge bitch since the Lizzy Grant stuff. I think last night was Ari really telling her go f*** herself and he's done with it.

I hope so, but I still think its gonna happen. Earlier that scene, when Mrs. Ari told Bobby that she "still wasn't ready", indicating they haven't slept together yet, I groaned, because to me that was a total sign that she's gonna end up back with Ari.

If Bobby Flay and her were putting dents in the wall from a headboard on top of the Golds' special quilt, then I'd totally think they were done, he can't go back after that. But the fact they're not even banging...thats a troubling sign of an eventual Gold family re-merge.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by valo403

Except that would be ridiculous. Oh, your marriage of 20 years is crumbling but we're going to write your character as if he's full of life. It would make absolutely no sense.

Why not? They do it all the time on this show. Like Vince hitting rock bottom in the season finale and then by the premiere he's back to same old Vince. And I'm not saying he has to be full of life. Sure, he can be sad. But do we need to see Mrs. Ari every episode? Can't there just be indicators of him being sad at work while he goes about his usual day while Mrs. Ari & the fam slowly fade into irrelevance? Does it really need to be the main storyline of the season?

I've just never liked the family side to him, I don't think it makes sense to his character. I liked the sleazeball Ari from the first couple seasons. I wonder if he originally was always meant to be that way, but then Piven started winning awards for the character and Ellin may have thought he should give the character more substance and heart.

And just as an aside, I'm not one to repeatedly bash Entourage. Outside of this whole divorce thing I don't really have any complaints about the show. It's clearly not what it was the first 3 seasons, but I still enjoy it.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Why not? They do it all the time on this show. Like Vince hitting rock bottom in the season finale and then by the premiere he's back to same old Vince. And I'm not saying he has to be full of life. Sure, he can be sad. But do we need to see Mrs. Ari every episode? Can't there just be indicators of him being sad at work while he goes about his usual day while Mrs. Ari & the fam slowly fade into irrelevance? Does it really need to be the main storyline of the season?

I've just never liked the family side to him, I don't think it makes sense to his character. I liked the sleazeball Ari from the first couple seasons. I wonder if he originally was always meant to be that way, but then Piven started winning awards for the character and Ellin may have thought he should give the character more substance and heart.

And just as an aside, I'm not one to repeatedly bash Entourage. Outside of this whole divorce thing I don't really have any complaints about the show. It's clearly not what it was the first 3 seasons, but I still enjoy it.

I think its been mentioned a few times in interviews with Piven and the writers that he was originally going to be the sleazeball you think. Cheating on his wife and what not (there's a couple early mentions of this happening). But They decided that Ari was going to be all about the business. He is fantastic at what he does, but in the end he loves his family.

I think its a nice contrast for the character to be this super-powerful business man at work and then comes home and has to answer to his wife. Its made for some pretty funny moments. If this wwasn't the case you wouldn't have all the therapist room breakdowns that have made Ari what he is.

[Stay Golden]

I didn't think Drama was going to get his deal, that was a suprise. The Dice character is mildly funny but basically a tool. Ari is going to war with his ex no matter if he wants it or not. Hopefully Vinces latest interest that british reporter is no longer written in any more episodes. Turtles potential partners seem like scatter brains. Looks like E has a sugar momma

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Why not? They do it all the time on this show. Like Vince hitting rock bottom in the season finale and then by the premiere he's back to same old Vince. And I'm not saying he has to be full of life. Sure, he can be sad. But do we need to see Mrs. Ari every episode? Can't there just be indicators of him being sad at work while he goes about his usual day while Mrs. Ari & the fam slowly fade into irrelevance? Does it really need to be the main storyline of the season?

I've just never liked the family side to him, I don't think it makes sense to his character. I liked the sleazeball Ari from the first couple seasons. I wonder if he originally was always meant to be that way, but then Piven started winning awards for the character and Ellin may have thought he should give the character more substance and heart.

And just as an aside, I'm not one to repeatedly bash Entourage. Outside of this whole divorce thing I don't really have any complaints about the show. It's clearly not what it was the first 3 seasons, but I still enjoy it.

This completely sums up my point, this thread is full of people complaining about things like the Vince recovery not be explored and then when they do go a little bit deeper into the trials of a character people bitch about that. If Ari was the sleazeball character he was made out to be early in the show people would bitch about the character lacking depth, explore the family side and now he's boring. Don't have storylines revolving around Ari and you'll read post after post wanting more Ari, revolve a story line around him and it's too much (and a storyline revolving completely around the one dimensional character he was initially would have been atrocious). There's no winning.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by valo403

This completely sums up my point, this thread is full of people complaining about things like the Vince recovery not be explored and then when they do go a little bit deeper into the trials of a character people bitch about that. If Ari was the sleazeball character he was made out to be early in the show people would bitch about the character lacking depth, explore the family side and now he's boring. Don't have storylines revolving around Ari and you'll read post after post wanting more Ari, revolve a story line around him and it's too much (and a storyline revolving completely around the one dimensional character he was initially would have been atrocious). There's no winning.

Yep, I agree this show gets chirped way too much. Again, this is my only issue with the show right now (major issue anyway).

As for the other part, maybe they should just have focused & drawn out the actual interesting issue (Vince's recovery), and glossed over the lame one (Ari's not-going-to-actually-happen divorce). Problem solved.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Yep, I agree this show gets chirped way too much. Again, this is my only issue with the show right now (major issue anyway).

As for the other part, maybe they should just have focused & drawn out the actual interesting issue (Vince's recovery), and glossed over the lame one (Ari's not-going-to-actually-happen divorce). Problem solved.

Well I'd say that a divorce has much more dramatic potential than 90 days in a rehab center, unless they were going to throw Dr. Drew and his band of misfits in there. Add in the fact that the divorce also throws the entire agency and business side into chaos and you have an impact on the entire cast of characters, it's a much stronger storyline than following one character in rehab.

And I don't see any reason to think the divorce isn't going to happen, it might not but there is plenty of room for them to take it in either direction.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I didn't think Drama was going to get his deal, that was a suprise. The Dice character is mildly funny but basically a tool. Ari is going to war with his ex no matter if he wants it or not. Hopefully Vinces latest interest that british reporter is no longer written in any more episodes. Turtles potential partners seem like scatter brains. Looks like E has a sugar momma

We know Dice got his deal, there was no call to Drama saying the show was back on...And 30 seconds before Dice got the call Phil called Drama and threatened him.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are going forward on the show without Drama and just going with Dice. That would pretty much be on par with how the rest of Drama's life went.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well I'd say that a divorce has much more dramatic potential than 90 days in a rehab center, unless they were going to throw Dr. Drew and his band of misfits in there. Add in the fact that the divorce also throws the entire agency and business side into chaos and you have an impact on the entire cast of characters, it's a much stronger storyline than following one character in rehab.

And I don't see any reason to think the divorce isn't going to happen, it might not but there is plenty of room for them to take it in either direction.

Then we're gonna have to agree to disagree there, because I think the divorce thing just isn't interesting. At all. And in the process its chopped the balls off the show's strongest character.

As for the divorce itself, we'll see. Before this past episode I would've agreed with you, but that whole "we're not sleeping together yet" line by Mrs. Ari just seemed way too convenient to have been just a throwaway line IMO.

EDIT: I think everyone can agree this show just needs more Drama. Always.

[flames_1987]

The biggest misstep in this season has been how poorly the show has written the character of Mrs. Ari. Taking her character to such a radical place, where the only time we see her is her lashing out at Ari, and coming off as cold. The only different light they've shown her in, was the one line about not being ready last episode. Much like the Sloan/Eric relationship, there feels to be no desire, no anticipation or will for the audience to be pulled into these people ending up together. Seems like a much stronger backing for Dana/Ari.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I really can't wait for this show to be over, so I will stop wasting a half hour each week watching it.

It's like Big Love, I loved it for so long, that I will watch it until it ends, even if it lost it's way a couple seasons ago.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I really can't wait for this show to be over, so I will stop wasting a half hour each week watching it.

It's like Big Love, I loved it for so long, that I will watch it until it ends, even if it lost it's way a couple seasons ago.

That's exactly how I felt about Big Love.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

That's exactly how I felt about Big Love.

I should have shut the TV off, deleted my series recording on the PVR, forgot the show ever existed, the minute the 4th season started and found out they stopped using God Only Knows by the Beach Boys.

It was all down hill from there.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I should have shut the TV off, deleted my series recording on the PVR, forgot the show ever existed, the minute the 4th season started and found out they stopped using God Only Knows by the Beach Boys.

It was all down hill from there.

Big Love's decent into madness annoyed me way more then Entourage's last few seasons.

I pray every day that Mad Men doesn't follow this pattern in the near future.

[MrMastodonFarm]

At some point, I should really start watching Mad Men.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I didn't think Drama was going to get his deal, that was a suprise. The Dice character is mildly funny but basically a tool. Ari is going to war with his ex no matter if he wants it or not. Hopefully Vinces latest interest that british reporter is no longer written in any more episodes. Turtles potential partners seem like scatter brains. Looks like E has a sugar momma

Don't tell me you don't know who Andrew Dice Clay is...

Are you sure your old enough to watch Entourage?

[DrJ]

Did Entourage get leaked early on the net or was it aired early? I'm watching it right now after someone posted a spoiler on their FB status...

[drewboy12]

Originally Posted by DrJ

Did Entourage get leaked early on the net or was it aired early? I'm watching it right now after someone posted a spoiler on their FB status...

thx