In all honesty I'm really not that sensitive... But thanks 4X4.
I GET the point you making. I really do. I get the want for it from the public. Of course we need to stop the idiots on the road! I just believe there is a better way then this.
What's the better way? Mandatory driver's ed? Hey, I'd be down for that, too. But this law is a pretty good for the meantime.
You've got a bad taste from cops? Where have you been hanging around? South Central? Mogadishu?
LOL - No, from police coming to my door a 3 am getting the wrong house. Happens a lot more often than it should. Some guys are great to deal with and others were pricks. ABSOLUTE Pricks.
havent seen it mentioned but people forget that cops do have on dash video cameras which can be used to capture the offenders on video.
I know several police officers that are foaming at the mouth because of people that want proof. These guys records of enforcement includes 85% recorded video proof which I have personally seen and it makes me laugh because many of these people initially argue up to the point where the offer is made to see what they have recorded.
Ive made all efforts to ensure I wont be in violation but still wonder how many people really care in this day and age. I see no evidence to suggest that most people are even aware enough to give a damn about their poor driving.
I live in the N.E where people are terrible drivers ...just add a cell phone and
I do see how enforcement will be difficult regardless and just hope most people who dont care get nabbed and smarten up.
Love this new law, but I will still probably use my phone while driving. I can actually use my phone without swerving and doing 20 clicks under the speed limit. I know how that sounds but meh whatever. I hope this law works and catches the ######s who can't drive while talking on the phone or texting since they ruined it for all us superior drivers.
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The roads of Calgary are going to be a better place once the both of them are so sick of getting fined, that they pull over to make phone calls.
Hopefully, but funny thing is that even the way my uncle drives he should be pulled over daily for suspected drunk driving even though he doesn't drink he drives like a drunk daily and hasn't been pulled over or gotten a ticket in about 15 years. So I'm not sure if cops are going to notice if he is on his phone or not and what difference this new law will make.
It does give them the power to enforce the law if they please at least so that is nice.
I don't appreciate being called stupid. In fact your point loses any attempt at being reasonable once you apply these rude and unnecessary statements.
Believe what you want. I believe these "rules" are a drain on the people. They are FAR to restrictive (heck even in your post you talk about breaking the law already). But that's just the way it goes.
You and Resolute are being, in all honesty, jerks to anyone who has a different opinion than you. Bullies, I believe it is called and this has been a common occurrence ever since you joined CP.
There is NOTHING wrong with my opinion.
Seriously though, where does this law go too far? I mentioned three things it covers in my first comment to you - talking and driving, reading and applying makeup. You admitted you don't make calls, but dislike the other things. So what is it (that I presume you do) that this law covers that you dislike? Do you think people should be allowed to read and drive? Do you think they should be allowed to put on makeup? Text and drive?
Or is this just a general "I hate the police" argument? That of course, is a red herring. Your opinion of the cops doesn't reflect on the validity of the law. And yes, some cops are real a-holes. Something tells me, based on your attitude, that you might actually be bringing some of that onto yourself.
Is this a drain on people? Only on the people who actually do these things. Personally, I think you should go talk to someone who lost a relative because of a crash caused by any one of these factors and ask them how drained they feel by it.
I actually agree with you on one point - the potential to be a cash cow. That is, however, a side benefit to the law. But, as I said before, I would rather the focus on this law (and all traffic citations) was on demerits. Frankly, all of the stupid kids I see driving and texting need to lose their licenses, not some cash.
Seriously though, where does this law go too far? I mentioned three things it covers in my first comment to you - talking and driving, reading and applying makeup. You admitted you don't make calls, but dislike the other things. So what is it (that I presume you do) that this law covers that you dislike? Do you think people should be allowed to read and drive? Do you think they should be allowed to put on makeup? Text and drive?
Or is this just a general "I hate the police" argument? That of course, is a red herring. Your opinion of the cops doesn't reflect on the validity of the law. And yes, some cops are real a-holes. Something tells me, based on your attitude, that you might actually be bringing some of that onto yourself.
Is this a drain on people? Only on the people who actually do these things. Personally, I think you should go talk to someone who lost a relative because of a crash caused by any one of these factors and ask them how drained they feel by it.
I actually agree with you on one point - the potential to be a cash cow. That is, however, a side benefit to the law. But, as I said before, I would rather the focus on this law (and all traffic citations) was on demerits. Frankly, all of the stupid kids I see driving and texting need to lose their licenses, not some cash.
If you met me you would see that I am a very pleasurable, a bit silly, but mostly fair person. My issue runs deeper than this seemingly superficial law. I'm a part of Lead Now. I've posted it on here. A branch of Lead Now is part of the reason Shaw and other companies were stopped by UBB.
The law makes sense. It has to make sense in order to be a law. I doubt I would ever be pulled over for this, but that really is not my point. Perhaps I picked the wrong field to have this battle.
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Yeah, the worst texter I've seen is a middle-aged guy in a BMW with his Blackberry mounted to his dashboard. He kept reaching over with his index finger to type while he swerved all over the road.
In ontario, I have found that the cops won't bother you as long as ypu're not driving like an idiot. I really don't see it as a necessity to talk on the phone while drivimg anyway. In fact, a couple weeks ago I almost got run over by a stupid bitch that was too busy texting to notice a stop sign. Luckily it was a low speed road. From my conversations with people I know that text and drive, a lot of them don't even seem to realize how dangerous they are when they lose concentration for even just a couple of seconds.
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Yeah, the worst texter I've seen is a middle-aged guy in a BMW with his Blackberry mounted to his dashboard. He kept reaching over with his index finger to type while he swerved all over the road.
The worst I saw happened today. Coming home from golf I came up on a teen driving a truck who had somehow mounted her cellphone to the top of the steering wheel. One hand was steering and texting while the other was holding a cigarette. I put her license plate number to memory and was going to call the local RCMP when I got home. Thankfully the stupid dumbass broad got pulled over as she was swerving all over the road. Best part is she didn't see the RCMP cruiser coming from the opposite direction
I strongly disagree. Education and Reason should be the first option to go to. But you have a different opinion and that's fine and your opinion seems to be the majority on this board. Again, it does not mean you opinion is the only one that is valid. But this has already been said and your post doesn't change or alter mine in anyway. I am heavily against using fear as a tactic to get your way - even if it is the easiest way to get something done.
Its probably the majority opinion because its common knowledge that it works better. Of course in a perfect world, no one would get tickets, everyone would get educated, and everything would be perfect. But it doesn't work like that...some people's actions deserve to be ticketed, some don't. And there still is discretion with the officer, so there is an opportunity for both.
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Okay... You should look up conflict of interest. Just by saying "No it's not!" does not make it true.
I'm not just saying "no it's not!"...its defined in the Police Act of Alberta and probably readily accessible through the provincial government on where money from tickets ends up.
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lol - okay. This is all coming from the horses mouth. So he must be ill informed. (this is where on might insert condescending eye roll)
Did you know once I knew a cop who said the way policing is now is the best its ever been!?!?!?!?!?!? Anecdotal evidence is a great way for an argument. But I appreciate you refraining from the condescending eye roll.
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Good. The CPS can hire a business consultants to cut costs and for balancing their budget and actually focus on real CRIME.
Once again, Calgary crime rates are near an all time low and compared to other Canadian cities, Calgary is very safe. CPS I guess can't be accredited with 100% of that, but I'd say they do a pretty good deal of focusing on "real" crime. Also, more people die from traffic incidents then homicides...but even though distracted driving/speeding/drunk driving/etc. have all been proven in studies to cause more collisions and presumingly are the cause of more fatalities, I guess it isn't real crime...
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I have a bad taste from bad cops when I have done NOTHING to warrant their brutal treatment. I don't get pulled over often at all. I get a ticket maybe every 5 years and that includes photo. I'm actually a "very good boy"...
"People like yourself" Really, what are people like myself? Do we know each other? Please stop with the personal assumptions.
People like yourself who seem to have this ingrained dislike of the police. You've been quite vocal about being disliking of the police in this thread....so "people like yourself" are people who are also disliking of the police. I have no idea of your "brutal" treatment then, but the majority of people's police interaction is with traffic stops. Forgive me for presuming.
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If you met me you would see that I am a very pleasurable, a bit silly, but mostly fair person. My issue runs deeper than this seemingly superficial law. I'm a part of Lead Now. I've posted it on here. A branch of Lead Now is part of the reason Shaw and other companies were stopped by UBB.
The law makes sense. It has to make sense in order to be a law. I doubt I would ever be pulled over for this, but that really is not my point. Perhaps I picked the wrong field to have this battle.
I'm really just sick of laws that make our lives more difficult then they already are. I don't believe our government actually care about you (Generally Speaking) - they only care about lining their individual pockets. Here is an email sent out through lead now. Which might help to understand if you are truly interested.
Ok, now you are mixing two issues. Your last statement is not relevant to the debate on this law, as I doubt any politicians will personally profit from it. I am not seeing the reason why your membership with Lead Now is relevant, as you have not defined how this case represents a lack of accountability within our government.
So that brings us down to what is, apparently, your central argument: that this law makes your life more difficult than it already is.
So, serious question: How does this law do that? If anything, it makes your life simpler. You can't text, talk (sans headset), read, etc while driving. So your focus, ideally, is just on driving. Really, the law is saying to take all of those toys that complicates driving, and causes increased risk on the road, and get rid of them.
You admit that it is a good law, so why the argument? I am certain you are quite nice as an individual, but in this debate, it seems that you really just have an axe to grind, and don't really care to pick your targets.
Fighting against UBB is a good thing. Fighting against a distracted driver law that is already in place in the majority of jurisdictions in Canada is... odd. Especially for the reasons you are stating.
Love this new law, but I will still probably use my phone while driving. I can actually use my phone without swerving and doing 20 clicks under the speed limit. I know how that sounds but meh whatever. I hope this law works and catches the ######s who can't drive while talking on the phone or texting since they ruined it for all us superior drivers.
What a larf. You are not a "superior driver" if you think you can drive properly and fool with your cell at the same time. You can't. If you need to execute a split second avoidance maneuver, your cell will toss that option right out the window. You might get two hands properly on the wheel in time, you might not. And it is a sure thing that at some point, your texting or talking on your phone WILL take attention away from the road, the only question is will it be at a moment that causes a collision.
I recognize that we all do things while driving that inevitably reduce our ability to drive, just don't pretend that your cell phone use is not going to impact your ability behind the wheel, and don't pretend you're "superior" somehow because you don't swerve all over the road while texting.
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Good. The CPS can hire a business consultants to cut costs and for balancing their budget and actually focus on real CRIME.
I was pretty much content to watch the bashing back and forth until I saw this gem. Are you under the impression that real CRIME, which I can only assume you are defining as violations of the criminal code, does more damage to people/property than poor drivers?
Are you also assuming that you could remove all the money/time/laws that are put into traffic enforcement and put it into programs that fought 'real CRIME' and have society come out ahead?
I would be willing to wager that total damage to both people and property from automobile accidents outweighs the total damage done to people and property as a result of violent crime. I could be wrong though *shrug*
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