Ban pets from flights, doctors tell airlines

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

One is a necessity the other a luxury.

Point missed.

The issue isn't whether something is a necessity, it's why is a solution to the dander problem is applicable in one scenario and not the other. If simply moving a service animal to a different area than an allergy sufferer solves the problem why is that solution not applicable when the word service is removed? This is not a complicated point, why it seems to have taken a half dozen posts to communicate is rather puzzling.

[fundmark19]

Is there a price difference to putting pets in cargo rather then under seat?

[Bagor]

If you have an allergy to animals are the airlines obliged to tell you if said animals are already booked on board pre-booking?

[Stay Golden]

Personally I have never seen anyone with the nerve to have a pet with them on a flight. Underneath in cargo sure you see those kennels all the time.
I am extremely allergic to cats to the point breathing becomes difficult, my wife is the same. If some idiot was flying next to or near me with a cat. I would inform them of our health issue with this. If they were snots about it I would deliberatly at some point soon sneeze right directly in their face. Oh so sorry couldn't help it you see i'm allergic to cats and sneezing comes with warning.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by valo403

Point missed.

The issue isn't whether something is a necessity, it's why is a solution to the dander problem is applicable in one scenario and not the other. If simply moving a service animal to a different area than an allergy sufferer solves the problem why is that solution not applicable when the word service is removed? This is not a complicated point, why it seems to have taken a half dozen posts to communicate is rather puzzling.

Point was not missed. The point is that one has to be on the plane and the other doesn't.

The hassle of playing musical chairs is only done when the passenger REQUIRES the animal to be on the plane, not WANTS the animal on the plane. I have an animal allergy and I just pop a reactine when I see a pet, but it is not that easy for all people.

The condescending tone of your post really adds absolutely nothing. I don't need to be talked to like I am ####ing 5.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

And you would assume this why? Have you ever talked to a baggage handler who stated that they treat animals like they do inanimate suitcases?



You must really annoy someone at the luggage counter to have that happen to you. I've flown to Alberta close to 20 times and never had that happen to me.

No I have not but I see them toss luggage around carelessly so one would assume they treat other stuff like that. Have you talked to a baggage handler who stated that they treat animals differently than they do inanimate suitcases?

As far as losing the luggage , I am a friendly guy and never have problems with the luggage counter. The only problem I have ever had is the one time they tried to tell me I couldnt take my insulin needles ( that were accompanying my insulin pens) with me on carry on. I also need to admit it hasn't happened every time. One time I got my bags , got them to the in-laws place , opened it up , and the first thing I saw was a ton of ladies underwear. Apparently the lady grabbed the wrong suitcase and I contacted her via the info on the bag and we met up and exchanged. I know it was her fault cause I got sent to customs and this was the only bag left on the carousel. I guess I cant blame the airlines for that one.

[FlamesAddiction]

I had a vet tell me that when you fly your pet in the cargo area, there is a chance that the animal will not survive the trip. I don't know if that is true or not.

Personally, I have take the doctor's side on this. Having someone suffer an allergy triggered asthma attack 30,000 feet in the air is not worth your pet's comfort.

Find someone to look after your pet or take a few extra days to drive... or better yet, think twice before getting a pet. I love to travel without worry about pets and that is the primary reason why I have resisted getting a dog.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Personally I have never seen anyone with the nerve to have a pet with them on a flight. Underneath in cargo sure you see those kennels all the time.
I am extremely allergic to cats to the point breathing becomes difficult, my wife is the same. If some idiot was flying next to or near me with a cat. I would inform them of our health issue with this. If they were snots about it I would deliberatly at some point soon sneeze right directly in their face. Oh so sorry couldn't help it you see i'm allergic to cats and sneezing comes with warning.

I've seen people with cat carriers a few times, the worse was the woman who put the carrier on her lap and opened the top, the cat of course wanted nothing more than to get out of the bag. So the cat got it's head out and the woman spent the entire time fighting to keep the cat in the bag.

So the woman is sitting there basically wrestling the cat who's trying to escape from the carrier and the flight attendant comes and tells here that she needs to close the bag and place it on the floor as it's unsafe to be wrestling with a cat and giving it a chance to escape. The woman obliges for a few minutes, but as soon as the attendant has been gone for a few minutes she again picks up the bag, opens it, and starts her wrestling match all over again.

This was a few rows ahead of me along the aisle so I wasn't right beside it, but yeah I'd have been even more annoyed if I had been.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Point was not missed. The point is that one has to be on the plane and the other doesn't.

The hassle of playing musical chairs is only done when the passenger REQUIRES the animal to be on the plane, not WANTS the animal on the plane. I have an animal allergy and I just pop a reactine when I see a pet, but it is not that easy for all people.

The condescending tone of your post really adds absolutely nothing. I don't need to be talked to like I am ####ing 5.

The hassle of playing musical chairs? Yeah it's really tough to stand up, walk 40ft and sit down again. Man, what a hassle.

And you still missed the point. If that 'hassle' is a legitimate solution in the case of a service animal why does it cease to be a legitimate solution in the case of a non-service animal? If the argument is that moving isn't sufficient to correct the problem, then fine, the necesitty argument makes sense. But if it's accepted that the relocation solves the problem there's simply no reason why the status of the animal should matter.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by valo403

The hassle of playing musical chairs? Yeah it's really tough to stand up, walk 40ft and sit down again. Man, what a hassle.

And you still missed the point. If that 'hassle' is a legitimate solution in the case of a service animal why does it cease to be a legitimate solution in the case of a non-service animal? If the argument is that moving isn't sufficient to correct the problem, then fine, the necesitty argument makes sense. But if it's accepted that the relocation solves the problem there's simply no reason why the status of the animal should matter.

Because it is a non-service animal.

"Sir, would you mind moving so this gentleman with a disability can have his dog with him? There is someone sitting near him who has a severe allergy and needs to be moved to another part of the plane?"

"Sir, would you mind moving so fluffy can come on the plane? There is not really any good reason why they need to be on the plane and not in the cargo hold, but there is someone with an allergy who can't sit by the dog."

Are the two about scenarios the same thing?

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by fotze

So you just grabbed the wrong suitcase because it was the last one left? WTF? That story is obviously missing something. Well, since mine isn't here, I'll grab this one.

I am assuming they were the same type of suitcase. Many people have near identical luggage

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Because it is a non-service animal.

"Sir, would you mind moving so this gentleman with a disability can have his dog with him? There is someone sitting near him who has a severe allergy and needs to be moved to another part of the plane?"

"Sir, would you mind moving so fluffy can come on the plane? There is not really any good reason why they need to be on the plane and not in the cargo hold, but there is someone with an allergy who can't sit by the dog."

Are the two about scenarios the same thing?

Pretty much. The inconvenience is incredibly small in both situations. Nobody is being asked to leave the plane or sit in a seat they don't want to sit in. Make the person bringing the pet on do the moving, make them bear the brunt of the 'hassle' of walking 40ft. Where's the issue? That someone might have to stand up and let that person out of the row?

People move around on flights all the time for the sake of convenience. "Sir, would you mind moving so that I can sit next to my wife, there's not really any good reason, it would just be nice to do so." I guess we better ban that practice, there's simply way too much hassle involved.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by fotze

So you just grabbed the wrong suitcase because it was the last one left? WTF? That story is obviously missing something. Well, since mine isn't here, I'll grab this one.

Caught me! no but really it was an identical bag and I was lil flustered and angry about being hassled by customs on Christmas eve ( or maybe Dec23rd I cant remember) so I wasnt paying enough attention and just grabbed the bag and went on my way. Nothing missing from the story!

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by fotze

Well then he can't blame her, if he did the same thing?

That is correct they are both dirty thieves and their hands should be chopped off because of this theft! It will teach them to read the luggage tags to prevent this from happening in the future

[nfotiu]

What are the current rules for dogs anyway? I assume I can't bring my 100 pound lab on the plane with me as it is?

I actually have never seen any service animals on a plane, where do they sit? Is it safe for people or the dog to have an unrestrained dog that could bounce around during bad turbulence?

The only dogs I've ever seen on plane are ones that fit in a carry on bag. So I assume it is really only a small subset of dogs that are allowed anyway?

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

What are the current rules for dogs anyway? I assume I can't bring my 100 pound lab on the plane with me as it is?

I actually have never seen any service animals on a plane, where do they sit? Is it safe for people or the dog to have an unrestrained dog that could bounce around during bad turbulence?

The only dogs I've ever seen on plane are ones that fit in a carry on bag. So I assume it is really only a small subset of dogs that are allowed anyway?

I think they have to be under 25 lbs , be able to fit in the travel bag , the travel bag has to fit under the seat in front of you.

[Ryan Coke]

Pets in the cabin is very common. You probably just never notice them. The biggest reason you usually become aware is when some dufus won't comply with instructions and opens the bag and tries to get the animal out.

The price is the same in the cabin and down below.

I have been told by vets that the stress far an animal below is harder on the animal, and also that sedatives carry further risks. While it is temperature controlled underneath, it is not as well controlled, so a greater variance of temperatures. It is also noisier and dark. Put an animal in a dark, noisy, cold room alone and see if it affects them. Actually maybe that isn't a good experiment.

Many baggage handlers are great with animals. Some aren't. Either way, accidents happen. Far less likely when they are being handled by the owner.

I guess the big thing is that keeping the allergic and the pet apart works in most cases. It is rarely an issue.

Btw, the portion of air that is recirculated goes through a hepa filter system as well.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by valo403

Pretty much. The inconvenience is incredibly small in both situations.

A lot depends on the situation. What if I had paid extra to pre-select my seat; and picked a window seat- and now I am being moved to an aisle seat? If I am asked to accomidate a person with a disability- no problem. It is different if it is just a pet.

Or perhaps I didn't pay extra, but arrived early at the airport or made my way to a computer early to get the seat I wanted. Once again, I would be willing to do a little more to help out a disabled person.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by ken0042

A lot depends on the situation. What if I had paid extra to pre-select my seat; and picked a window seat- and now I am being moved to an aisle seat? If I am asked to accomidate a person with a disability- no problem. It is different if it is just a pet.

Or perhaps I didn't pay extra, but arrived early at the airport or made my way to a computer early to get the seat I wanted. Once again, I would be willing to do a little more to help out a disabled person.

Read the rest of my post.

Make the person bringing the pet on board bear the inconvenience. Make them move to the seat between 2 400lb'ers right across from the bathroom door.

[Hilch]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

I'd bet most of you people who are bitching and moaning and wanting animals off flights are NOT animal owners yourself.

I bet most of the people bitching and moaning about wanting their little dog beside them on a flight do NOT have allergies.

If you had to suffer like some people have to being around animals you would understand. Personally I have allergies but they are hit or miss and I own two animals, a dog and a cat, and suffer because of them but my love for animals outweighs the suffering or having to take allergy pills, however, not everyone is like me and most people suffer a lot more especially being incased in a plane cabin with the animal.

I have no problem suffering for my animals at home but in no way should I be forced to suffer because someone can't be away from their animal for a few hours on a plane. You almost gotta question thoes peoples mental state to begin with that they have this void to fill that they can't be alone for a little while.

But then again pet owners who feel the need to have their animal attached to their hip 24/7 are like talking to smokers about not smoking inside. Banging your head against a wall would be easier!