2011 NFL thread

[moon]

3rd round pick???

I guess the Raiders are a good fit and seems like the kind of team to waste a pick like that on the kid.

Not sure why a team would even bother with trying him at QB as he has shown he doesn't have the head or throwing motion for it. You would think the Raiders would have learned their lesson with JaMarcus but it appears they are ready for Russell 2.0 if they keep Pryor at QB.

With is attitude and Rosenhaus as his agent I wonder how willing he will be to move to another position. It makes the most sense but he seems like he is arrogant enough to think that he can prove everyone wrong and that Rosenhaus is the perfect loser to pump up his ego and make the wrong decision.

It would take a complete overhaul of his game and a ton of work to try and learn football and defenses and Pryor seems like he has 0 ability/desire to put that work in.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by moon

3rd round pick???

I guess the Raiders are a good fit and seems like the kind of team to waste a pick like that on the kid.

Not sure why a team would even bother with trying him at QB as he has shown he doesn't have the head or throwing motion for it. You would think the Raiders would have learned their lesson with JaMarcus but it appears they are ready for Russell 2.0 if they keep Pryor at QB.

With is attitude and Rosenhaus as his agent I wonder how willing he will be to move to another position. It makes the most sense but he seems like he is arrogant enough to think that he can prove everyone wrong and that Rosenhaus is the perfect loser to pump up his ego and make the wrong decision.

It would take a complete overhaul of his game and a ton of work to try and learn football and defenses and Pryor seems like he has 0 ability/desire to put that work in.

I would have preferred Pryor in the 5th but
this comment of your Moon is based on what exactly?

Pryor will be making 600k while JBust was making 16million. Russell was an over sized marshmellow while Pryor just ran a 4.3 and for the record there is no other QB in the NFL that can run a 4.3. About 15 players and the are CB and WR.
Russell was a pocket passer only while Pryor was a scrambler that had a decent arm. So they are alike how? They are black QB's that is the only accurate similarity Moon.

Pryor will be a 3rd stringer first year while Russell was handed the team towards the end of his first season.



Pryor 2164 yds rushing 17tds and 6177 yds passing with 57 tds

Russell 79yds rushing 4 tds and 6625 yds passing with 52 tds.

[Bobblehead]

Taylor Mays to the Bengals for an undisclosed draft pick.

He only saw the field in mop-up time last game and was well down the 49ers depth chart.

To his benefit, Mays has been a professional all the way, working hard in every practice. He was a favourite of Singletary but was never able to impress the new 49ers DC, Vic Fangio.

[Flickered Flame]

Dolphins signed Larry Johnson this morning. Another sign that rookie Daniel Thomas might not be ready.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flickered Flame

Dolphins signed Larry Johnson this morning. Another sign that rookie Daniel Thomas might not be ready.

Yikes...that is sign of pure desperation IMO. Never mind how eroded his skills seemed to be when he was last seen...he is a real problem in the locker room at times as well.

[Sylvanfan]

Yep, the day the Chiefs cut Larry Johnson and gave Jamaal Charles a chance, they were infinity better. He's all about himself. Dolphins must be trying to stack the deck to jump the Bills for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yep, the day the Chiefs cut Larry Johnson and gave Jamaal Charles a chance, they were infinity better. He's all about himself. Dolphins must be trying to stack the deck to jump the Bills for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

I don't think this puts them anywhere near a tema like the Bills, the defense is still one of the best in the league and the running game sucked last year too. Maybe Johnson comes back hungry with something to prove. If not they haven't taken a backwards step.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't think this puts them anywhere near a tema like the Bills, the defense is still one of the best in the league and the running game sucked last year too. Maybe Johnson comes back hungry with something to prove. If not they haven't taken a backwards step.

Larry Johnson aint gonna chnage that unless yo think he is better than either Ronnie Brown or even Ricky...and I dont see how that conclusion can be drawn.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Larry Johnson aint gonna chnage that unless yo think he is better than either Ronnie Brown or even Ricky...and I dont see how that conclusion can be drawn.

Exactly, so you have a team with a great D, maybe even better than last year, and an offense that will likely be about the same as it was last year. That makes the Luck sweepstakes talk rather ridiculous at this point.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yikes...that is sign of pure desperation IMO. Never mind how eroded his skills seemed to be when he was last seen...he is a real problem in the locker room at times as well.

Clinton Portis would have been a much better option.

1. Hometown boy
2. Better player
3. Team guy
4. Locker room entertainment.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Clinton Portis would have been a much better option.

1. Hometown boy
2. Better player
3. Team guy
4. Locker room entertainment.

He still may be their guy.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/8/2...miami-dolphins

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

Exactly, so you have a team with a great D, maybe even better than last year, and an offense that will likely be about the same as it was last year. That makes the Luck sweepstakes talk rather ridiculous at this point.

See i think the offense will be absolutely much worse...maybe not quite Panthers level bad, but i see the fish falling quite a ways back from last year. I mean only Carolina and Cleveland scored fewer points than them...and as you point out the running game is now worse which will put more pressure on the passing game.

Chad Henne and Matt Moore.....good luck with that.

Maybe portis can come in and help....but right now on paper, i believe that Miami is worse on paper than last season.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I would have preferred Pryor in the 5th but
this comment of your Moon is based on what exactly?

Pryor will be making 600k while JBust was making 16million. Russell was an over sized marshmellow while Pryor just ran a 4.3 and for the record there is no other QB in the NFL that can run a 4.3. About 15 players and the are CB and WR.
Russell was a pocket passer only while Pryor was a scrambler that had a decent arm. So they are alike how? They are black QB's that is the only accurate similarity Moon.

Pryor will be a 3rd stringer first year while Russell was handed the team towards the end of his first season.

Basing it on them both being better athletes than QB's. Pryor because of his size/speed and Russell because of size/arm strength. Neither guy has the IQ to run an offense and both make horrible decisions when it comes to passing the ball. Sure their overall games are not the same but when i comes to being a QB they are both the same in that they have 0 accuracy, 0 understanding of the game of football and 0 desire to improve in these areas.

Obviously Pryor can have use at another position but in terms of ability to be an effective QB in the NFL they are both similar and that's what I meant by Russell 2.0, trying to fit a guy that doesn't have the skills into being a starting QB for them.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

See i think the offense will be absolutely much worse...maybe not quite Panthers level bad, but i see the fish falling quite a ways back from last year. I mean only Carolina and Cleveland scored fewer points than them...and as you point out the running game is now worse which will put more pressure on the passing game.

Chad Henne and Matt Moore.....good luck with that.

Maybe portis can come in and help....but right now on paper, i believe that Miami is worse on paper than last season.

Where did I point that out? The running game is bad, and it was bad last year. It's not improved, but I wouldn't call it worse. The backs aren't quite as strong IMO, but the line is much better. Even if the line isn't vastly improved I don't see the offense stepping backwards, which I admit isn't saying much.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

See i think the offense will be absolutely much worse...maybe not quite Panthers level bad, but i see the fish falling quite a ways back from last year. I mean only Carolina and Cleveland scored fewer points than them...and as you point out the running game is now worse which will put more pressure on the passing game.

Chad Henne and Matt Moore.....good luck with that.

Maybe portis can come in and help....but right now on paper, i believe that Miami is worse on paper than last season.

Reggi Bush is underrated in the passing game and I believe he will be missed in New Orleans. I think he will really help the Dolphins passing game. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dolphins slightly improve but they are still a ways behind the Jets and Patriots.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't think this puts them anywhere near a tema like the Bills, the defense is still one of the best in the league and the running game sucked last year too. Maybe Johnson comes back hungry with something to prove. If not they haven't taken a backwards step.

I think Larry Johnson is a step backwards. Guy is poison in the locker room, and he got paid by the Chiefs, so unless it's his urge to get back to mistreating females, I don't think there's any hunger left.

I didn't think the Dolphins were anywhere near as bad as teams like the Broncos, Bengals, Bills, NFC West, Panthers, or Red Skins. But a move like this moves them more in that direction than it does upwards. I still don't think they're that bad, but there are far better options for their team than Larry Johnson.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think Larry Johnson is a step backwards. Guy is poison in the locker room, and he got paid by the Chiefs, so unless it's his urge to get back to mistreating females, I don't think there's any hunger left.

I didn't think the Dolphins were anywhere near as bad as teams like the Broncos, Bengals, Bills, NFC West, Panthers, or Red Skins. But a move like this moves them more in that direction than it does upwards. I still don't think they're that bad, but there are far better options for their team than Larry Johnson.

I think the locker room influence of a third string RB who might not even be with the team on Sept 12th is being massively over stated. If that's the only reason this is a step backwards I simply don't get it. He won't have influence in the room unless he's producing, and if he's producing any negative influence is likely acceptable. If he doesn't produce he's gone. So where exactly is the backwards step, let alone one big enough to start talking Luck sweepstakes?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

I think the locker room influence of a third string RB who might not even be with the team on Sept 12th is being massively over stated. If that's the only reason this is a step backwards I simply don't get it. He won't have influence in the room unless he's producing, and if he's producing any negative influence is likely acceptable. If he doesn't produce he's gone. So where exactly is the backwards step, let alone one big enough to start talking Luck sweepstakes?

So it will work in Miami when it didn't work elsewhere?

[Cheese]

Colts sign Collins..

ArashMadani Arash Madani



Interesting. RT @JimIrsay: We have agreed to terms with Kerry Collins...more details to come

[Flickered Flame]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Colts sign Collins..

ArashMadani Arash Madani



Interesting. RT @JimIrsay: We have agreed to terms with Kerry Collins...more details to come

Manning not likely ready for the start of the season?