So while I do concede Apple is not the only one suing, as far as I know this is the first case where they've managed to force a product to be removed from a shelf.
Ah, so you are not pissed off at Apple because of the suing, since everyone does it.... you are pissed off that Apple had a strong enough case that a judge saw fit to remove the competing device.
The way I see it is that Apple is a corporation like any other corporation - out to maximize profit at all cost within the rules of the game. I expect no more and no less. But I'm not going to hold them up as an evil empire for doing things that everyone else is doing ...
Recommend you guys check this little documentary out.
This thread has been quite an eye-opener to how messed up the Software Patent system is. I still have my issues with Apple, but I have definitely learned that a huge issue with the way things are is because of the way patents in the software world work. From the mini-documentary, a few very interesting stats were raised:
1) 1/3 of all new patents are now software patents
2) 40% of all litigation in the US can be attributed to Software Patent Law litigation
I would recommend everyone watch the clips...the music composition analogy is definitely an accurate one...thanks for posting Thor
i didn't realize how much of the iPhone was made by Samsung and others. I found this article from The Economist quite fascinating:
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Apple and Samsung's symbiotic relationship - Slicing an Apple
How much of an iPhone is made by Samsung?
APPLE doesn't make the iPhone itself. It neither manufactures the components nor assembles them into a finished product. The components come from a variety of suppliers and the assembly is done by Foxconn, a Taiwanese firm, at its plant in Shenzhen, China. The “teardown” graphic below, based on data from iSuppli, a market-research firm, shows who makes what inside the iPhone, and how much the various bits cost. Samsung turns out to be a particularly important supplier. It provides some of the phone's most important components: the flash memory that holds the phone's apps, music and operating software; the working memory, or DRAM; and the applications processor that makes the whole thing work. Together these account for 26% of the component cost of an iPhone.
Read the rest of the article.
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Apple fudged the evidence it gave to the German court showing how identical the Galaxy Tab is to the iPad
they extended the Galaxy's dimensions to match the iPad, removed the Samsung logo, and showed it with the app drawer open instead of the normal home screen
Apple fudged the evidence it gave to the German court showing how identical the Galaxy Tab is to the iPad
they extended the Galaxy's dimensions to match the iPad, removed the Samsung logo, and showed it with the app drawer open instead of the normal home screen
If this were true, or the source of the court's decision, then either samsung has the worst lawyers on the planet or it didn't have any effect on the decision whatsoever.
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If this were true, or the source of the court's decision, then either samsung has the worst lawyers on the planet or it didn't have any effect on the decision whatsoever.
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Under the German court system, Samsung wasn't allowed to rebut the evidence Apple submitted, so a chance exists that the judge in charge of the case overturn the ban on August 25 at a hearing.
Apple will have possibly had its intended effect by cutting off sales for weeks, although a chance exists it may have to compensate Samsung for the damage.
And another article from when the initial injunction was handed down.
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What’s weird is that Samsung seems to have had no idea any of this was going down until it was too late. Specifically, the order was given “without any hearing or presentation of evidence from Samsung,” according to Samsung spokesman Kim Titus, who confirmed with Bloomberg. Apparently this is pretty normal in Germany — plaintiffs must only prove that infringement occurred to get an injunction rolling, either preliminary or permanent, with no requirement to inform the other party. However, the court often only grants a preliminary injunction (like this one) when it believes that a subsequent permanent injunction will be granted, as well. If it’s not and Apple loses, the Cupertino-based company will most certainly owe damages to Samsung.
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The sad thing is any damage awarded will probably be worth the initial news of the injunction as well as the lost sales by Samsung and possbible sales gained by Apple. Sounds pretty dirty and calculated as they probably identified the German legal system and used it to their advantage.
So apparently Apple intentionally lied and presented false evidence in order to stop a competitor from selling a device similar to the iPad.
And Apple fanboys want to deny that Apple is trying to use litigation to stop their competitors from succeeding? Right.
FYP - at least I assume that's what you wanted to say - double negative ftl!
And I dont think anyone has said that Apple isnt trying to maintain thier competitive edge, they simply say that as a successful business, that is what Apple *should* be doing, because that's the way the system is set up (even if it is a screwed up system).
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I can see a system like this working if there were stiff penalties for abusing the system. But it does seem somewhat heavy handed.
I always get nervous when tech sites attempt to report legal issues, especially in international jurisdictions. You can never be sure how much they get right. Unfortunately tech journalists seem to be getting lots of practice.
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
So apparently Apple intentionally lied and presented false evidence in order to stop a competitor from selling a device similar to the iPad.
And Apple fanboys want to deny that Apple isn't trying to use litigation to stop their competitors from succeeding? Right.
Who has said that? Please point out the post.
As pointed out above, it isn't a matter of Apple taking on some evil empire persona, it's a matter of a giant corporation doing what's in its own best interests. Just as every single other giant corporation does. This apparently comes as a surprise to some, but this is the real world, and playing nice in the sandbox isn't always the best strategy.
