Painting estimate

[puckluck]

Best paint on the market you can buy is from bel-air paints. It'll cost you 200 dollars for a big pale but it beats any paint by a mile. Your painter can get it for around 125. Another good quality paint is from benjamin moore. The worst is glidden paints also known as ICI paints now I believe.

Edit: best paint from belair is called Manor Hall.

[THE SCUD]

Best paint bar none is Sherman Williams. Amazing stuff

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Bindair Dundat

The reason for that is because it's junk paint, with little emulsion content.

Do this as a test...Take a "Mr. Clean magic eraser" to the walls painted with the "Walmart wonder paint"...does the sponge cause "flat" spots (remove the sheen)? Does the sponge pull the pigments off the wall? Now do the same to the areas with the GP "overpriced", "inferior" product (it's been +30 days since you painted)? What's the verdict with that?

High emulsion enamels are harder to get coverage with...Any pro knows this. It's all about timing (and technique during) the backroll, and getting tight to your cut lines.

Pulling off the wall with the tape?

You pulled your tape wet...(like any pro knows to do), right?

You cut your tape lines (if you let it dry out), like any pro knows to do, right?

The reason it "pulled" is because of the emulsion in the paint...(and the above mentioned ).

On the subject of taping? "Seven day removal", $5.00 a roll "painters tape" is one of the biggest scams on the market. The junk bleeds like crazy (even well burnished) and stretches crooked when you're pulling it. Buy the "cheap" white high-tack; tape it, burnish it, paint it, pull it, done. No bleed and no tape "tear off"; as long as if you pull it wet, and the surface you taped was prepped properly and dried down for 6-8 hours...



100% BS. The quality of the emulsion is what drives the price point of any latex product on the market today (don't believe me? Do a search on it) . I can likely buy the GP (HP2000?) product, for the same price you paid per gallon @ Walmart for CIL's "chalk and water".

And don't get me wrong here, CIL/Glidden makes some very fine product...but you won't find it at Walmart.

And I've been painting since before there was even such a thing as "100% Acrylic" latex paint on the market. Take it for what it's worth.

But anybody can paint...right? I mean it's just painting...

Ron

PS... I do very little painting any more; I'm a high end shower guy (Tile Setter)...and a custom Carpenter/Woodfinisher(stains and lacquers)...it pays way better money.

Maybe that's because anybody can paint?

Great post, but I disagree with American tape being a rip-off. It is worth every cent, and can save hours in cleanup and removing the tape.

[Deegee]

Funny, I have no issues washing our walls with the cheap stuff and I don't come across as an arrogant ass.

Pretty happy with both of those points.

[Bindair Dundat]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Also while on the topic, the builder we went with used Glidden paint. Can I match the same colour using a different brand, or no?

Most of the "common" colors (ie. builder's "standard" colors) will already be in the "match file" of most of the larger paint suppliers. Almost any color can be closely approximated, regardless of variations in paint chemistry.

As for a "match' in another line of paint, where you can "touch up" in the middle of a wall? Nope...not gonna happen.

Glidden/CIL(ICI) makes very good paints, but if you bought a house painted by the builder's contractor...well, you probably got the standard "mid-line" (ie "Walmart") paint. I could never figure this out...the paint is the cheapest part of the job. Why commit reputational suicide, just to save $30-40 a 5'er on paint?

Mind you...the builder takes the heat (and gives you the "it is what it is" line)...still, it's wrong; on so many levels.

Ron

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Deegee

Funny, I have no issues washing our walls with the cheap stuff and I don't come across as an arrogant ass.

Pretty happy with both of those points.

You have no problems with washing latex painted walls? I don't care how expensive your paint is, but washing your latex painted walls will make them look nasty after. I don't think he was trying to be an arrogant ass, but professional painters know the cheapest stuff on the market is definitely the stuff from ICI paints/Glidden. Painters only use that stuff because it costs them about 80 dollars for a 5 gallon pale instead of the 115 for a better quality paint. That could save them 150-200 dollars on a house.

[Bindair Dundat]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Great post, but I disagree with American tape being a rip-off. It is worth every cent, and can save hours in cleanup and removing the tape.

Thanks man...

Point about the tape thing is: tape it all, hit the wall you're working, strip it out (5-10 minutes elapsed)...no residue, no bleed, $1.29/roll. The tape I prefer is "American Tape" brand, but it's the "cheap" high-tack variety. 3M's "Highland" is also great stuff.

ICI does actually make a decent product...you just have to be willing to pay for it.

Like I said...it's all about the emulsion content. That's what sets the bar for the manufacturer's, in terms of how they can afford to price their product.

Sorry for my "arrogance".

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Bindair Dundat

As for a "match' in another line of paint, where you can "touch up" in the middle of a wall? Nope...not gonna happen.

Finishing the basement. So it doesn't have to match the wall as in touch up, but has to match well enough that I can't tell it's a different paint upstairs and down.

Originally Posted by Bindair Dundat

Glidden/CIL(ICI) makes very good paints, but if you bought a house painted by the builder's contractor...well, you probably got the standard "mid-line"

Did I ever. It's craptacular. My other problem is that I can't get Glidden in town (Unless CIL has the same paint/colour codes), and I don't want to have to run into Calgary just to get it.

[photon]

When we built we paid for an upgrade in the paint to a Behr product I've been pretty happy as it seems to be pretty washable for a flat paint.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by photon

When we built we paid for an upgrade in the paint to a Behr product I've been pretty happy as it seems to be pretty washable for a flat paint.

They made you pay for an upgrade of paint? I hope it wasn't more than $150. Homebuilders will do anything to squeeze out more money I guess.

[photon]

Yeah it wasn't a huge amount I don't recall, and we actually requested it rather than them initiating.

Also got them to use a high gloss paint on the trim rather than the spray lacquer stuff they used on the doors, so that we can paint or touch up the trim ourselves.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by photon

Yeah it wasn't a huge amount I don't recall, and we actually requested it rather than them initiating.

Also got them to use a high gloss paint on the trim rather than the spray lacquer stuff they used on the doors, so that we can paint or touch up the trim ourselves.

A good painter can match the spray stuff perfectly by hand. So can you if they teach you the technique.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bindair Dundat

Thanks man...

Point about the tape thing is: tape it all, hit the wall you're working, strip it out (5-10 minutes elapsed)...no residue, no bleed, $1.29/roll. The tape I prefer is "American Tape" brand, but it's the "cheap" high-tack variety. 3M's "Highland" is also great stuff.

ICI does actually make a decent product...you just have to be willing to pay for it.

Like I said...it's all about the emulsion content. That's what sets the bar for the manufacturer's, in terms of how they can afford to price their product.

Sorry for my "arrogance".

Yup, the 3M stuff is good. The other cheap stuff is total crap - can't even pull it off with wet paint without screwing something up.

I bought Frogtape, and it works much better than anything else I've ever used.

On the other hand I've gotten pretty damned good at cutting transitions without tape.

[Bindair Dundat]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Yup, the 3M stuff is good. The other cheap stuff is total crap - can't even pull it off with wet paint without screwing something up.

I bought Frogtape, and it works much better than anything else I've ever used.

On the other hand I've gotten pretty damned good at cutting transitions without tape.

As long as the existing lines (dap joints) are decent, I freehand cut everything as well. The one place I consistently rely on a "tape cut" is at the baseboards. You have to tape for roller-spatter anyhow, so you might as well take the couple of seconds to burnish your lines; as a bonus you can cut your bottoms in a jiffy.

I have heard many good things about the "Frogtape" but as it's "new" to the market (up here anyways), it carries a premium, even at the suppliers. I haven't asked about buying by the "sleeve" or full case though. I don't use enough these days and the 3M "Highland" crosses over well to the carpentry shop, i.e. for "clamping" solid edging to plywood shelves/gables/countertop nosings, etc. It also is great for taping grout/drywall lines or grout color changes...the medium tack tapes (i.e. "painters green" and 3M blue) leave glue residue everywhere, once the urethane/epoxys (in the grouts I use) have penetrated through.

The day I pay close to $7, for a roll of 1" masking tape just hasn't come around...yet.

But I know it's coming...while some things have come way down in price (offshore supplied), anything produced in a "first world" economy seems to just keep going up, up, up....

Sorry for hijacking your thread Seebass

14K is crazy to paint a 1200 sf bungalow...I think I said something about that earlier in here...
If I was in Calgary I'd come over and price it for you. But I'm not in Calgary...and I'm booked til Xmas already.

@ Puckluck...Yep the "Manor Hall" line (sold by Belaire) is PPG's "cadillac" product...very nice "spooge" to work with.
Great open time (for big walls) and brushes out really nice (no extender required)...shoot it straight out of the bucket as well.

Bennie Moore's "Aura" is another line that I would give huge props to.

If I was still an "everyday" painter, I'd be selling BM "Aura". Period.

Ron

[puckluck]

Also anyone who is building a new home make sure your painters aren't mixing water with the paint. A lot mix about 2 litres in every 5 gallon pale to help with paint coverage and speed. it'll make your paint a little less quality.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bindair Dundat

Maybe that's because anybody can paint?

Epic post...

Once you find a good painter, it can change everything. I have a buddy whose a painter, and he's an artist with the brush. You don't realize what a hard trade it is to master until you watch a qualified one at work.

Everyone thinks they can paint, few master it.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

Best paint bar none is Sherman Williams. Amazing stuff

Seriously? We used to call it See Through Williams, never used their top end stuff but the mid to low end paints were terrible. BTW, it's Sherwin-Williams.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Thanks for the info gang I appreciate it.

Just to let you know my quote was for $14,000.00

Of course it seemed high to me. glad I had you guys to help me.

Was it with Certapro via Costco? They gave an INSANE quote for painting - they were like 4X what everybody else quoted.