Does anyone tip more if the waitress is hotter?

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I assume you would be happier with a 30%-40% increase on the menu price then. Cause if it is an increase in wage you want then it shows up on your servers check and taxes deducted.

Have you ever been to a country that servers dont get tips? If you thought service was bad here...yeesh.

a. There is zero justification for the amount of money servers receive - all it takes is a half a brain and a decent outgoing personality to be good at the job. Servers and bartenders should not be making more than trained/skilled/educated etc people by leeching off of them.

b. I lived in one for 10 years and the service was light years better than here.

Tipping is a scam.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I assume you would be happier with a 30%-40% increase on the menu price then. Cause if it is an increase in wage you want then it shows up on your servers check and taxes deducted.

Have you ever been to a country that servers dont get tips? If you thought service was bad here...yeesh.

Actually, service is awesome in Japan (no tips) and you get a sweet ass buzzer, so you only see the server when YOU want to.

[kirant]

Not at all. I tip on a combination of all the services, food quality and frontline staff included (as, having worked in it before, most places spread the tips).

More importantly, I tip based on how much they charge for pop.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Nobody stops by my desk when I'm doing my job competently and tosses change in a cup for me.

They fill a glass by pulling a lever in one direction. Receiving a tip is dependent on the promptness of the service provided as well as the server's attitude. If you act like I am an intrusion on your day I vote economically.

I'm guessing you don't make minimum wage and maybe don't deal directly with the end user of your company's product/service. This is why you don't get tips. You likely earn a salary or a higher hourly wage and then maybe even a bonus. Restaurants could make their establishments no tipping, and give the servers a percentage of their ringout. This would likely make the service worse, since they are guaranteed an amount and it goes on how much you can sell in food and drinks.

I've never understood why people make the argument that they don't get tips at their job, so why would should they have to tip a server. By that logic, everybody should make the same wage and it would be closer to a communist state. Because people have different skills, education levels and genders, they can earn different types of wages and different ways to earn livings. In North America restaurants pay servers low wages and they gets tips to supplement their income. This isn't much different than sales people earnings commissions, except at restaurants the server collects from their employer and their customers. In car sales, for example, the employee is paid by the employer only, but they have built in an amount into the car for a commission.

I do agree with everything in your second paragraph.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

a. There is zero justification for the amount of money servers receive - all it takes is a half a brain and a decent outgoing personality to be good at the job. Servers and bartenders should not be making more than trained/skilled/educated etc people by leeching off of them.

b. I lived in one for 10 years and the service was light years better than here.

Tipping is a scam.

Food and drinks would cost more if not for tipping.

[metallicat]

My absolute pet peeve is going to a place that would be considered higher than McDonalds, but not a real sit down restaurant, and they have the tip option on the debit machine without clear instructions on how to bypass the option. So this is a place where you are not served by a server, you might order at the counter and then either take the food out or find your own table (just to clarify). I absolutely hate having to fumble with the debit machine...do I hit alpha twice? What if I hit cancel? Quite frankly, it's embarrassing to me as a customer.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by troutman

Food and drinks would cost more if not for tipping.

Only based on the assumption that an unskilled and easily trainable position deserves more.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Only based on the assumption that an unskilled and easily trainable position deserves more.

100% correct. Here in Australia I relish the no tipping. The drinks are also about the same price although they do pay staff here around $20/hr.

Calgary is a bad example though. The service is brutal there and the sense of entitlement is insane.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

100% correct. Here in Australia I relish the no tipping. The drinks are also about the same price although they do pay staff here around $20/hr.

It's not "about" the same price. It's not even close. You look at things like a cup of coffee or glass of pop and you're looking at least a $2 or $3 mark up in a Canadian dollar equivalent

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Pizza

It's not "about" the same price. It's not even close. You look at things like a cup of coffee or glass of pop and you're looking at least a $2 or $3 mark up in a Canadian dollar equivalent

Pop and coffee are two things I don't order so sorry, but they are both money makers for a resteraunt. Sounds like it adds $2-$3 to your total bill though. That's in range.

Bottom line I miss nothing about what you get from tipping.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Pop and coffee are two things I don't order so sorry, but they are both money makers for a resteraunt. Sounds like it adds $2-$3 to your total bill though. That's in range.

Bottom line I miss nothing about what you get from tipping.

Pop and coffee were just examples, and that's $2-$3 for each drink. When you consider the mark ups on appetizers and entrees, it's adds up and the final total isnt close to a Canadian bill

Whether the level of service is as good as what Canadian servers offer is debatable. From my experience, they are close, but Canadian servers are slightly better than their Australian counterparts

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Oh right, thats why every fast food chain, buffet restaurant, or burger buses, and Asian restaurants have such high costs. Maybe if the restauranteurs added "staff salary" to their budgets the patrons wouldn't be expected to dole out extra to pay the staff. I didn't know I had become the surrogate employer for some cheap ass restaurant business culture that is all about the greed of the restaurant owner. Why the need to pick on the patrons instead of the this silly culture that exists like Valentines Day. I bet everybody running a restaurant is writhing in delight out how they get customers to gladly pay for the food and the staffing like its our obligation.

Your response shows you have little understanding about food costs and labour

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

a. There is zero justification for the amount of money servers receive - all it takes is a half a brain and a decent outgoing personality to be good at the job. Servers and bartenders should not be making more than trained/skilled/educated etc people by leeching off of them.

b. I lived in one for 10 years and the service was light years better than here.

Tipping is a scam.

If you think a server makes as much as a trained/skilled/educated person then you are misniformed.

Imagine a dinning place be worked by the people you do know that work for min wage and tell me you would have a good dinning experience.
You can not get people with a half a brain to work for min wage

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Actually, service is awesome in Japan (no tips) and you get a sweet ass buzzer, so you only see the server when YOU want to.

And how was the pricing in Japan?

[trackercowe]

Tipping has gotten way out of hand. You pretty much have to tip anyone performing a service for less than $20 an hour at this point (servers, barbers, cab drivers, valets, coat check people, door men, casino dealers, delivery men, etc).

I wouldn't mind if the cost of these things hasn't got so far out of hand. $20 for a hair cut, $6 to get your coat checked, crazy inflation on food prices. So not only is the cost of the service getting out of hand, but the 15% or whatever has greatly increased in the last couple years.

Being a student on somewhat limited means, I hate doing some of these things and being forced to tip. I used to be a furniture mover for a couple years, and only got tipped once. I never asked for anything, and never expected anything in return. Why so many of these other services expect a tip along with salary/pay is beyond me.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

And how was the pricing in Japan?

more expensive, but not Australia expensive.
Japanese Employers and managers are more strict and has well placed the "we will fire you over subpar service" fear into their workers

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Pizza

Pop and coffee were just examples, and that's $2-$3 for each drink. When you consider the mark ups on appetizers and entrees, it's adds up and the final total isnt close to a Canadian bill

Whether the level of service is as good as what Canadian servers offer is debatable. From my experience, they are close, but Canadian servers are slightly better than their Australian counterparts

Now just because I was interested in this for myself I just spot checked a couple places I go and their Calgary equivalents.

This place has a dance floor, live music, a pool table, lots of places to chill, a patio and a similar scene to Hudson's in Calgary.
http://www.archivebeerboutique.com.a...inFoodMenu.pdf
The Burger costs $17AUD, includes GST, and you don't tip a cent.

http://www.hudsonstaphouse.com/c/menu.pdf
The equivalent burger is $14 at Hudson's with $0.70 in GST and a 20% tip on the base price that comes to $17.50.


http://www.cicadagroup.com.au/docume...0july%2028.pdf
Here I get the 300g (~10.5oz) rump steak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rump_steak) and it costs me $26AUD.

http://www.joeyrestaurants.com/food/eau-claire/menu
Equivalent at Joey's is probably the 9oz Sirloin for $24.49 with $1.22 in GST and 20% tip on the base price that comes to $30.61.

Talking from experience beers are about the same as well, still no idea about coffee or pop (the grocery stores are expensive on pop).

As for the service...well it's not great here at all, but it's comparable to Calgary. I'd also like to frame my argument that when I'm in the States or BC, Manitoba, Sask, BC, or a small town I don't mind tipping, but in Calgary/Edmonton it's ret@rded because the service is crap, the food is overpriced and the servers are entitled.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by driveway

....

Tipping exists in our culture because we've decided that serving food is as menial a job as selling shoes or re-stocking shelves. . .

this is a good point. Servers should stand up for themselves and stop working under these conditions!

the fact they dont shouldnt be my problem. good servers are skilled workers and should fight for a correction in their industry.

Originally Posted by driveway

....Servers deserve their tips,.

servers deserve what they have negotiated and i think its about time they stood up for themselves and demanded to be paid appropriatly by the business owner who employs them.

im sick of tipping culture, it just never ends.

[SeeBass]

You can"t escape the costs either you pay it on the cost of goods or at least you have the option to tip if you are satisfied with the service.

I would rather have the freedom to choose how much extra I give to reward the good employee. It is just an good way to practise the free market by rewarding those that perform.

If you want to compare other nations that don't tip don't forget those are not min wage workers they are being compensated on their skill.
Imagine the person that you know that makes min wage in charge of your food safety and getting your order correct and 40 others at the same time and take care of all of your other specific needs. Not to mention all of the mistakes that would be made that have to be paid for in the current cost of your meal. How about those with strict allergies counting on them as well.The staff turnover would be even worse than it is now creating even more issues. All of those servers that have brains that are going to school would not be there as they would just do something else for a couple of more bucks an hour.
I guess if you are fine going to a slop and drop places all the time then perhaps but many times my evening out enjoyment is directly related to the competance of the people that serve me. But a 20% tip at a slop and drop is peanuts extra and so the quality is rewarded that way, rather than 20% to a proffesional serving me at a $100 plus night out.


I see some of these points being made by people who obviously have never worked in dining and are missing out on many factors that people that have worked on the inside know. Sure you may have gone out to eat and think you know how to run a place but I have watched many people play the piano it doesn't mean I can play.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

You can"t escape the costs either you pay it on the cost of goods or at least you have the option to tip if you are satisfied with the service.

I would rather have the freedom to choose how much extra I give to reward the good employee. It is just an good way to practise the free market by rewarding those that perform.

If you want to compare other nations that don't tip don't forget those are not min wage workers they are being compensated on their skill.
Imagine the person that you know that makes min wage in charge of your food safety and getting your order correct and 40 others at the same time and take care of all of your other specific needs. Not to mention all of the mistakes that would be made that have to be paid for in the current cost of your meal. How about those with strict allergies counting on them as well.The staff turnover would be even worse than it is now creating even more issues. All of those servers that have brains that are going to school would not be there as they would just do something else for a couple of more bucks an hour.
I guess if you are fine going to a slop and drop places all the time then perhaps but many times my evening out enjoyment is directly related to the competance of the people that serve me. But a 20% tip at a slop and drop is peanuts extra and so the quality is rewarded that way, rather than 20% to a proffesional serving me at a $100 plus night out.

I see some of these points being made by people who obviously have never worked in dining and are missing out on many factors that people that have worked on the inside know. Sure you may have gone out to eat and think you know how to run a place but I have watched many people play the piano it doesn't mean I can play.

Running a place and being a server are two completely different things. Carrying my plate from a kitchen to my table isn't hard at all. If you do it with a smile you get 20%. If you're a bitch I'll probably give you 15% anyway. Either way it's a lot easier than most other grunt jobs (e.g. landscaping, any trade, etc.) who don't get paid particularly well and certainly don't get tipped.