Those who died too early: Overrated vs. Legitimately Good

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Yasa

Jackie Chan has had way more Hollywood titles than Bruce Lee. Clearly this is due to lifespan but you can't say Bruce Lee was more successful. He definitely paved the way for Jackie Chan, but to say there weren't any successful asian actors after Bruce Lee isn't true.

He did follow Bruce Lee and failed miserably in the 80s. Remember The Big Brawl? What a disaster. Now he's gotten a 2nd chance to play goofy sidekicks behind Chris Tucker and Owen Wilson, blah.

Bruce Lee was a leading man, top billing actor. Does anyone even know anyone else in a Bruce Lee movie. And his movie were popular worldwide, everyone knew him from Asia, to Europe, to America. A true international star in the 70s.

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[saskflames69]

What about that guy that was drafted by the Flames in the 80's and like two weeks later got wrecked in that car accident?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by saskflames96

What about that guy that was drafted by the Flames in the 80's and like two weeks later got wrecked in that car accident?

George Pelawa?

[saskflames69]

Originally Posted by Dion

George Pelawa?

Yeah.

[MarchHare]

Does anyone even know anyone else in a Bruce Lee movie.

Chuck Norris.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

If Tupac was still alive, he'd be just another rapper, like Ice Cube or Snoop Dogg.
Being killed elevated him above them.

This is laughable sorry. Tupac was the best rapper when he died, and unless something drastic would have happened in his career like going to jail for a very long time he would still be the best rapper today. No one has come even close to excelling in the rap game since his death. 50 cent would probably be his biggest competition and he'd blow him out of the water.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Chuck Norris.

Bolo Yeung

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Cobain has to be the most over-rated musician I've ever heard. Nirvana are by no means bad, and I'll listen to them anyday over genuine crap like Nickelback, but to hear some people rave about them (predominantly Gen-Xers who were in their teens or early 20s when Nevermind was released), you'd think they were second only to The Beatles in terms of musical influence.

Nirvana was/is extremely influential and Nevermind was a "gamechanger" type album.


They were probably the most important band of that musical era.

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Nirvana was/is extremely influential and Nevermind was a "gamechanger" type album.


They were probably the most important band of that musical era.

Yep, it's true. I consider that a shame as I'm not a big fan at all, but I can't deny the influence.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Mozart and MLK.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He did follow Bruce Lee and failed miserably in the 80s. Remember The Big Brawl? What a disaster. Now he's gotten a 2nd chance to play goofy sidekicks behind Chris Tucker and Owen Wilson, blah.

Bruce Lee was a leading man, top billing actor. Does anyone even know anyone else in a Bruce Lee movie. And his movie were popular worldwide, everyone knew him from Asia, to Europe, to America. A true international star in the 70s.

yeah Jackie was a failure.... He made like $60 million for Rush Hour 2. hahaha. I wish i was a failure like him.

Not a fan of Bruce Lee at all. Drunken Master 2 is prob the best kung fu movie of all time.

Speaking of goofy sidekicks, who was that in the original Green Hornet series? hehehe

[Red Ice Player]

Ernie Davis could have had a legendary NFL career had he not gotten cancer prior to his rookie season. Michel Briere looked like a really nice player for the Penguins but was killed in an accident after his rookie year. In baseball I remember Lyman Bostock as a real up and coming superstar who was senselessly murdered during his fourth season with the Angels. Hard to call these guys overrated because they died before they really got started.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by puckluck

This is laughable sorry. Tupac was the best rapper when he died, and unless something drastic would have happened in his career like going to jail for a very long time he would still be the best rapper today. No one has come even close to excelling in the rap game since his death. 50 cent would probably be his biggest competition and he'd blow him out of the water.

I don't think he is selling Tupac short but he does have a point.

Tupac and B.I.G. are two of the best rappers of all time but due to the circumstances of their deaths they are bigger stars due to their deaths then they probably would have been if they were still alive. Especially since their deaths were "related" to their fued it made the music they were making about one another seem even more important in retrospect.

It usually happens that over time rappers start to lose their edge and that takes its toll on their work. Once you become rich and famous you can't really rap about the hardships you faced in the ghetto anymore and you just start to rap about money and women.

Tupac and B.I.G. most likely would have went down this path much like Ice Cube, Dre, Snoop, Puff, and the rest of the rappers from that generation did. Much like the Bobby Orr debate they benefited because we never witnessed their decline like we did with the other rappers.

And in no way is 50 Cent the closest modern competition to Tupac, he had a great debut album but everything since then has been mediocre.

Love him or hate him Eminem, and probably Jay-Z, are really the only ones who have excelled over a long period of time rapping and even they had to reinvent themselves a couple of times to stay relevant and had periods where they struggled.

[tanguay'sstillgood]

Originally Posted by puckluck

This is laughable sorry. Tupac was the best rapper when he died, and unless something drastic would have happened in his career like going to jail for a very long time he would still be the best rapper today. No one has come even close to excelling in the rap game since his death. 50 cent would probably be his biggest competition and he'd blow him out of the water.

Jay Z and that one white dude say "what's up?"

[driveway]

The thing I'll say about Nirvana is that, considering the level of musical talent Dave Grohl has shown himself to have, I think it's totally reasonable to believe the group would have continued to put out top-flight music for at least a few more albums.

Also, anyone who includes 50 Cent in an argument about "best rappers" has no credibility.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by puckluck

This is laughable sorry. Tupac was the best rapper when he died, and unless something drastic would have happened in his career like going to jail for a very long time he would still be the best rapper today. No one has come even close to excelling in the rap game since his death. 50 cent would probably be his biggest competition and he'd blow him out of the water.

How is that laughable? Tupac came out with more albums dead then alive. The only thing I would argue that suffered was his acting career.

[Tinordi]

Morrison was an overrated turd. Have you heard his spoken word poetry? Awful.

[octothorp]

Charlie Parker. Amazing musician with an almost unmatched influence in the history of jazz, despite recording for only 10 about ten years, prior to his death at 35. I'm not sure he would have done a great deal more had he lived longer - his most innovative stuff was done between the age of 25 and 30 - but he was already considered one of the most important jazz musicians during his lifetime, and his legacy since then has confirmed his importance.

[Vulcan]

R F Kennedy. If he wasn't shot while running for President, the Usa and the world would probably be a far better place today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

President Kennedy once remarked about his brother that, "If I want something done and done immediately I rely on the Attorney General. He is very much the doer in this administration, and has an organizational gift I have rarely if ever seen surpassed."

whereas

J. Edgar Hoover's Deputy Clyde Tolson reported as saying, 'I hope that someone shoots and kills the son of a bitch.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Morrison was an overrated turd. Have you heard his spoken word poetry? Awful.

you know Tinordi, I know we disagree on a lot of things, but I have to say, that you and I can't be any more opposite when it comes to Jim Morrison.

The guy was creative, brilliant, gifted, was a great lead singer, was the rare lead singer that could truly incite a crowd, and in terms of his lyric's there aren't many artists out there that even come close.

People might think nowdays that his death elevated his reputation, nut Morrison and the doors were absolutely huge and utterly respected for their artist abilities.