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Old 08-05-2011, 10:14 AM   #41
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I'm not sure if irony is the right word here, but there's a sense that these people don't smoke near their own apartments for a reason. If it's because they don't like the smell, then why would it be okay in their world to smoke near someone else's home and possibly make their place smell like smoke?

If you accept the premise that smoking smells gross and you don't want your place to smell like smoke, then there are only two logical conclusions you can reach about squiggs' neighbors. They are either oblivious to how their actions affect others or they just don't give a crap.
I'm sure they're idiots, I'm not going to deny that. They might be renting, so smoking is probably not allowed indoors. Perhaps even smoking in their backyard isn't allowed, I don't know. Either way, they have 2 options; smoke elsewhere or quit. Clearly they're not quitting, so they're smoking on public property. It sucks that Squiggs has to smell the smoke, but if it's that bad then close the window. It's not as if they're standing in front of his open window and blowing the smoke into his house. They have a right to smoke there. Throwing their butts is a different story. I may or may not have laughed at that last sentence.
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It is a pet peeve of mine too especially when they toss it from a car onto grass. I know they increased the fine but for them to get a ticket they have to do it right in front of a cop or by-law officer. It would be great if you could just take a picture of the person/license plate send it to the cops but I don't think that would be enough. I would think the cops would need a video but that is easier said then done.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:23 AM   #43
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The "it's okay someone else will clean it up" defense stopped working when I was ten. Surely it doesn't apply to your adult life either.
I'm not defending it. Just saying, the scourge of the cigarette butts is also a #whitepeopleproblems candidate.
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If someone is doing that much damage to their own body by smoking, it's a foregone conclusion that a concern about littering is not even on their radar.

I'm more pissed off by the people who let their dogs shti in my yard.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:26 AM   #45
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If someone is doing that much damage to their own body by smoking, it's a foregone conclusion that a concern about littering is not even on their radar.

I'm more pissed off by the people who let their dogs shti in my yard.


Yep.....at least stop and put it in a bag and hang it from your tree
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Holy crap, the hater-ade flows like water here.

I don't really care that much if a smoker throws his butt out on the ground; it just has to be out and with no cinders left.

People are going to litter and you can't stop everyone from doing it, so why get all frustrated over it. If it's any consolation, there are fewer smokers than there used to be, so the problem really isn't any worse than it has been in the past.

Try going to other countries where smoking is more prevalent; I actually think Canada has it relatively good.
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The biggest problem I have is not so much that they are littering, it's that the butts aren't very biodegradable and still contain a lot of chemicals which can leech into the ground and damage wildlife after a while. Not to mention (the already talked about) chance of forest fire.
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Holy crap, the hater-ade flows like water here.

I don't really care that much if a smoker throws his butt out on the ground; it just has to be out and with no cinders left.

People are going to litter and you can't stop everyone from doing it, so why get all frustrated over it. If it's any consolation, there are fewer smokers than there used to be, so the problem really isn't any worse than it has been in the past.



Really?
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/toba...baccofacts.htm
May not pay for it now but there is a bigger price to pay in the future in many ways.
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Cigarette butts are bio degrable. There is much worse litter out there than that. It's harmless aside from the small nicotine content being a pesticide. Birds and squirrels that have adapted to city life already know they are not food.
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Unfortunately that's not their problem. You don't own outside. If you don't like it then just close your windows. I don't mean to be crass, but it's the reality of the situation.
I understand Fred's point, but I gotta agree with you on this one.

Changing "cigarette smell" to "firepit smell" or "bbq smell" would probably alter some people's perspective on the argument.

I think much of the complaining, and the subsequent "Why should I have to alter my life" thinking, stems from the fact that smokers are an identifiable group that society is allowed to pick on. If I made a crack about my ethnic neighbor cooking with curry.......
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I know you were joking H&L- but in case anybody thinks you were being serious:

There is a lot of misinformation out there regarding cigarette butt litter. The biggest myth is that cigarette filters are biodegradable. In fact, cigarette butts are not biodegradable in the sense that most people think of the word. The acetate (plastic) filters can take many years to decompose.
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Cigarette butts are bio degrable. There is much worse litter out there than that. It's harmless aside from the small nicotine content being a pesticide. Birds and squirrels that have adapted to city life already know they are not food.
Not true.....

http://www.cigarettelitter.org/index.asp?PageName=Facts
"There is a lot of misinformation out there regarding cigarette butt litter. The biggest myth is that cigarette filters are biodegradable. In fact, cigarette butts are not biodegradable in the sense that most people think of the word. The acetate (plastic) filters can take many years to decompose. Smokers may not realize that their actions have such a lasting, negative impact on the environment"

Quote from the link.....
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If someone is doing that much damage to their own body by smoking, it's a foregone conclusion that a concern about littering is not even on their radar.

Perhaps I'm just the exception, but for all the years that I smoked (don't do it, it's not worth it), I was always aware/concerned about littering.
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Really?
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/toba...baccofacts.htm
May not pay for it now but there is a bigger price to pay in the future in many ways.
Which fact in particular are you referring to for littering of cigarette butts?

If you're implying that it's a problem because it takes 18 months to 10 years for a filter to decompose, how is it any more of an alarming problem than it is now? Those filters have been in use for decades. What's going to happen in the future that we aren't already dealing with?
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A few years ago driving through the NW states I saw signs everywhere with a hotline to call to report the license plate for anyone you see tossing cigarette butts into the median, with fairly significant fines involved. They'd had quite a few major fires caused by this and were really cracking down. No idea if it worked at all.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:51 AM   #56
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Cigarette butts are bio degrable. There is much worse litter out there than that. It's harmless aside from the small nicotine content being a pesticide. Birds and squirrels that have adapted to city life already know they are not food.
I don't know much about cellulose acetate, but I've read the decomposition ranges anywhere from 3 months to 10 years. So, it's hard to say. Seeing as they're spun from wood, I'd lean closer to a year than 10, depending on the conditions. There is more than just trace amounts of nicotine in them, there's tar as well as other chemicals that are being pulled through the tobacco as it's smoked and absorbed into the filter.

It may be that squirrels and birds don't eat them, but it doesn't stop them from leaking into the water sources such as rivers, streams, lakes and oceans or groundwater. While those might be large bodies of water, it doesn't mean it should be a "we'll worry about it later" problem. Especially if the estimated stat of 4.5 trillion cigarette butts tossed yearly world wide (http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/conten...ppl_1/i25.full) and 24.7% of coastal garbage (http://act.oceanconservancy.org/site...pdf?docID=2841)
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Which fact in particular are you referring to for littering of cigarette butts?

If you're implying that it's a problem because it takes 18 months to 10 years for a filter to decompose, how is it any more of an alarming problem than it is now? Those filters have been in use for decades. What's going to happen in the future that we aren't already dealing with?

Pickem.....not getting better.



1) There are 1.1 billion smokers in the world today, and if current trends continue, that number is expected to increase to 1.6 billion by the year 2025.

2) China is home to 300 million smokers who consume approximately 1.7 trillion cigarettes a year, or 3 million cigarettes a minute.

3) Worldwide, approximately 10 million cigarettes are purchased a minute, 15 billion are sold each day, and upwards of 5 trillion are produced and used on an annual basis.

4) Five trillion cigarette filters weigh approximately 2 billion pounds.

5) It's estimated that trillions of filters, filled with toxic chemicals from tobacco smoke, make their way into our environment as discarded waste yearly.

6) While they may look like white cotton, cigarette filters are made of very thin fibers of a plastic called cellulose acetate. A cigarette filter can take between 18 months and 10 years to decompose.

7) A typical manufactured cigarette contains approximately 8 or 9 milligrams of nicotine, while the nicotine content of a cigar is 100 to 200 milligrams, with some as high as 400 milligrams.

8) There is enough nicotine in four or five cigarettes to kill an average adult if ingested whole. Most smokers take in only one or two milligrams of nicotine per cigarette however, with the remainder being burned off.

9) Ambergris, otherwise known as whale vomit is one of the hundreds of possible additives used in manufactured cigarettes.

10) Benzene is a known cause of acute myeloid leukemia, and cigarette smoke is a major source of benzene exposure. Among U.S. smokers, 90 percent of benzene exposures come from cigarettes.

11) Radioactive lead and polonium are both present in low levels in cigarette smoke.

12) Hydrogen cyanide, one of the toxic byproducts present in cigarette smoke, was used as a genocidal chemical agent during World War II.

13) Secondhand smoke contains more than 50 cancer-causing chemical compounds, 11 of which are known to be Group 1 carcinogens.

14) The smoke from a smoldering cigarette often contains higher concentrations of the toxins found in cigarette smoke than exhaled smoke does.

15) Kids are still picking up smoking at the alarming rate of 3,000 a day in the U.S., and 80,000 to 100,000 a day worldwide.

16) Worldwide, one in five teens age 13 to 15 smoke cigarettes.

17) Approximately one quarter of the youth alive in the Western Pacific Region (East Asia and the Pacific) today will die from tobacco use.

18) Half of all long-term smokers will die a tobacco-related death.

19) Every eight seconds, a human life is lost to tobacco use somewhere in the world. That translates to approximately 5 million deaths annually.

20) Tobacco use is expected to claim one billion lives this century unless serious anti-smoking efforts are made on a global level.
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7/11 Hot dog boxes that litter the areas of a 1 mile radious around 7/11's. Its crazy, next time you pass one look for those red boxes.
And if the 7-11 is near a school the presence of said hot dog boxes increases tenfold.
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9) Ambergris, otherwise known as whale vomit is one of the hundreds of possible additives used in manufactured cigarettes.
This stuck out to me. Firstly, it says "possible" and secondly it's not bad for you. Plus it has no use in cigarettes. The only possible thing I can think of is it would be used to make it smell better. Weird point.
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I understand Fred's point, but I gotta agree with you on this one.

Changing "cigarette smell" to "firepit smell" or "bbq smell" would probably alter some people's perspective on the argument.

I think much of the complaining, and the subsequent "Why should I have to alter my life" thinking, stems from the fact that smokers are an identifiable group that society is allowed to pick on. If I made a crack about my ethnic neighbor cooking with curry.......
That's a good point. At least with the firepits and bbqs, even the ethnic cooking, they are doing it within the confines of their own property. The smell does travel and I do sometimes get annoyed by those things.

I may be misunderstanding squiggs' situation but it seems that the smokers are smoking away from their own apartments and near his. IF they are doing so to avoid the smoke smell in their own home, then eff them. It's inconsiderate and ignorant.
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