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Montana Moe · 08-04-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

Sweet, the old men are finally finding this thread.

It takes a while for them to scroll through the large print edition of CP...

Dion · 08-04-2011, 09:59 PM

SeeBass · 08-04-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

Sweet, the old men are finally finding this thread.

Why you little whipper snapper in my day your message would have come by telegraph.

Now get off my lawn!!!

Ozy_Flame · 08-04-2011, 10:06 PM

My girlfriend is about to start her residency, and is moving into geriatric medicine.

CHA-CHING FOR ME! Ima chill like a boss.

mikey_the_redneck · 08-04-2011, 10:27 PM

It is some combination of lack of education/understanding of history, moral decline, feminism and over-saturation with mindless entertainment.

I have thought to myself, if the chinese invaded tomorrow.....would I want to be in the trenches with these passive, liberal, apathetic kids?....or would all the C.O.D. experience help us kick chinese a$$?

Weiser Wonder · 08-04-2011, 10:43 PM

I think it has to do with growing in a what we were told was a post-historical society. I remember growing up under the assumption that all the bad stuff in history was behind us, and we were to live forever in prosperity. This was reinforced by the first 20 years of our lives being a time of great wealth and growth. Even the tragic 9/11 wasn't going to make us question how things function.

Now, everything is sort of falling apart and our generation doesn't really know what to do. Most just assume it will get better shortly. There's no real serious thought to the idea it will get worse.

RougeUnderoos · 08-05-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

put your head down and ass up, get on with it and you will make it too.

Hmm. Well, to some of us, that seems a little extreme.

Anyway, I don't buy into the whole "student loan debt kills activism" theory. By the time you start paying back student loans, you are out of school anyway, and the activism days are likely behind you, loans or not.

Just out of curiosity though, I wonder what kind of debt some of our more "seasoned" posters came out of school with.

My dad paid two hundred bucks a year to go to university in the 60's. A generation (30 years) later, it was $2,500 for me, and now it's more than $5,000 at the UofC. Any way you cut it, that's a pretty big bump.

A lot of people are starting in a deep hole. Maybe they dug it, maybe they didn't, but I do know this -- people in every generation bitch about the geezers in front of them and the slackers behind them.

afc wimbledon · 08-05-2011, 12:52 AM

The writer of the article betrays the usual habit of boomer self importance, the reality is the youth of, and everyone else in the US have never been radical, the US is, and has been since its inception, a mostly right wing conformist society, far more so in practise, than UK that gave birth to it.

If anything the youth of the 60's were the least involved generation, they inherited 'the great society' from their parents and grandparents and then, because they smoked a bit of reefer and listened to a grateful dead album, thought that they had actually caused the social changes that in reality were based on the work of their parents generation, this same bunch of self agrandizing hippies went on to create a society so totally self obsessed and inward looking that they opened the door for Reagan and the Tea Party.

bubbsy · 08-05-2011, 06:33 AM

the youth in the west need to very quickly figure out how to remain at the top of the food chain. the engineering , know how/implementation, right down to manufacturing layers have quickly been picked up by developing nations. In a generation or less, innovation & management could also start making their moves outside our borders.

I work in the Tech/IT space (am an elec eng) so my view is from that vantage, but when the biggest innovation are useless ad-heavy revenue streams like facebook, it's a bit troubling to hold strong optimism.

Maybe a bit of 'rock-bottom' is needed to help a coddled youth of places like the states/canada to be forced to gravitate back to the top. with the way the world economic power is shifting, we might not be that far away from that 'rock bottom'.....

Cheese · 08-05-2011, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Hmm. Well, to some of us, that seems a little extreme.

Anyway, I don't buy into the whole "student loan debt kills activism" theory. By the time you start paying back student loans, you are out of school anyway, and the activism days are likely behind you, loans or not.

Just out of curiosity though, I wonder what kind of debt some of our more "seasoned" posters came out of school with.

My dad paid two hundred bucks a year to go to university in the 60's. A generation (30 years) later, it was $2,500 for me, and now it's more than $5,000 at the UofC. Any way you cut it, that's a pretty big bump.

A lot of people are starting in a deep hole. Maybe they dug it, maybe they didn't, but I do know this -- people in every generation bitch about the geezers in front of them and the slackers behind them.

Dont forget your dad likely earned about 5$ an hour to start, maybe much less. Things are relative in relation to costs.

SeeBass · 08-05-2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

Dont forget your dad likely earned about 5$ an hour to start, maybe much less. Things are relative in relation to costs.

My dad was making $250 a month in the 60's.

So it seems a months wage is equal to a years tuition.

I think I see a pattern here.

kevman · 08-05-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Working right now is also no fun. Just talking to people in my profession, they worked hard but had crazy parties, benefits, etc... All of that has been pulled back due to budget cuts and lawsuits caused by baby boomers horribly misbehaving. Work in many environments has become put the hours in and go home.

I didn't read the article so I'm probably missing the point (or lack there of?) but...

It's not just work environments that have changed. We're living in a nanny state imposed by the very same policy makers that had all the fun when they were younger. Hell, you can't even ride your freakin' bike without a helmet anymore...

Rathji · 08-05-2011, 07:26 AM

nm - math is bad

SeeBass · 08-05-2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kevman

I didn't read the article so I'm probably missing the point (or lack there of?) but...

It's not just work environments that have changed. We're living in a nanny state imposed by the very same policy makers that had all the fun when they were younger. Hell, you can't even ride your freakin' bike without a helmet anymore...

Safety has been driven into the heads of the younger generation for sure.

I remember debating the whole "should NHL players remove their helmets for the shootout" and there was an obvious divide between the generations.

SeeBass · 08-05-2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rathji

If a year tuition is what I should be earning a month, then I look forward to my 150k a year salary when I graduate in April.

A poster just said it was it was $5000 that is only $60K

VladtheImpaler · 08-05-2011, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

My girlfriend is about to start her residency, and is moving into geriatric medicine.

CHA-CHING FOR ME! Ima chill like a boss.

I always knew that when I became a doctor, I would dump whoever I was with at the time... or words to that effect - see Seinfeld...

Rathji · 08-05-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeBass

A poster just said it was it was $5000 that is only $60K

I know, I wrote the post and did the math in my head and then instantly realized that wasnt right. Although, my tuition is about $600 a course or almost $6000 a year, and I am not in either of the faculties at the UofC (business or engineering) that got huge increases a couple years ago, so I dont know what they pay.

edit: actually the extra fees are technically not 'tuition' and because I don't take a full course load, that probably raises the average I pay per course to about $600 whereas someone taking a full course load would not see as high a cost per course.

Objection withdrawn - 60k a year it is, which is a suitable average

kirant · 08-05-2011, 07:44 AM

That 62.5k debt for grads in the US floored me. My Engineering degree, full out, will cost 20k.

I could fit 3 degrees into the debt I'd get from 1 degree the US...:/

To Be Quite Honest · 08-05-2011, 08:18 AM

I see a lot of leaps with out proof or examples, but the article has points I'd agree with.

Everything is profit. This is the #1 rule to remember as a consumer driven society.

RougeUnderoos · 08-05-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

Dont forget your dad likely earned about 5$ an hour to start, maybe much less. Things are relative in relation to costs.

The price of tuition has gone up 25 fold since then. Wages haven't. If things were truly relative, people would be making $125 an hour when they get out of school now (using your 5 dollar example from the 60's, which is probably accurate).