Didsbury couple mauled by dogs.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by valo403

And? The guy said he wasn't aware that all animals would react this violently. That's not general knowledge, maybe not advanced knowledge but still not something everyone inherently knows. You decided that acting like a summers eve was the approach to educating.

I agree I am being a douch. I am not just picking on the one guy.

I am shocked that people don't have that kind of knowledge in regards to animals. I overreacted because now more animals are going to put down because people don't listen to their instincts. Animals are animals. They are unpredicatable. People should know to respect that.

I still have the image of people in Banff trying to walk towards the bears and feed them. So bear attacks because that is his instinct. So then bear is killed.

Okay. I will get off my soapbox. BlackArcher, I am sorry for taking out my overreaction on you. It was a general rant on the topic.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Could be worse, coulda puckluck'd it!

wow you're really rolling with the puckluck'd thing - I'm assuming you're the same guy who goes on and on about silly hall and such in the papers??

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

wow you're really rolling with the puckluck'd thing - I'm assuming you're the same guy who goes on and on about silly hall and such in the papers??

More the fact I am pucklucking the puckluck thing as a giant irony.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I overreacted because now more animals are going to put down because people don't listen to their instincts.

I'm quite sure some people don't have any.

I still have the image of people in Banff trying to walk towards the bears and feed them. So bear attacks because that is his instinct. So then bear is killed.

I can't explain people like that, part of their brain must be missing, do they not understand what a bear is and what it can do? These same type of people end up buying a dangerous pet, and treat it like any other purchase, it's just another item in the home.

[Ryan Coke]

Justanotherguy, I was pondering the the many names that were appropriate for your behavior in this thread. But nice to see that you finally apologized.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by zamler

I'm quite sure some people don't have any.
I can't explain people like that, part of their brain must be missing, do they not understand what a bear is and what it can do? These same type of people end up buying a dangerous pet, and treat it like any other purchase, it's just another item in the home.

Back when I lived in Kenora ON, every summer the town would get infested with black bears. There was an incident where some tourists saw a bear with cubs behind a restaurant and they actually picked up a cub and were taking pictures with it. From what I heard from people witnessing it, the mother did not attack, but she was clearly stressed and was pacing around. One of the bystanders had the sense to call the police and the tourists ended getting charged with cruelty to animals.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Justanotherguy, I was pondering the the many names that were appropriate for your behavior in this thread. But nice to see that you finally apologized.

lol. I already have a nickname.

[albertGQ]

JAG off?

[Vulcan]

Here's some info on the Akita. I can't find the link now but I remember one Akita club saying it was necessary to beat the crap out of the dog every so often.

The Akita is a special dog, possessed of exceptional strength and intelligence. This warrants a special owner, who has done their homework and who is well aware that, just as Akitas can perform some tasks that other dogs cannot, other dogs are permitted privileges that Akitas are forbidden.
First and foremost, you must not permit him to run off the lead if there is ANY possibility of other animals about. Even a well-socialized Akita retains his prey drive and this may overcome his training if another dog shows aggression towards him. This means no walking in the hills off the lead (there may be sheep or cattle about; most farmers shoot first and ask questions later), no beach walks unrestrained, and CERTAINLY no walks in the local park off the leash. If your Akita is particularly headstrong, or has not been trained and socialized properly, it may be necessary to muzzle him when out and about.

This dog is not meant for the casual owner.

http://dogobedienceadvice.com/akita-training.php

[zamler]

Damn. Why would anyone want a dog like that? So much to worry about.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I am not full of myself. I am sick and tired of the uneducated uninformed lazy people who do not take the time to think when dealing with animals. Again and again we hear of dogs being put down because of stupid humans mistakes. Of people walking in bear country without the proper precautions.

Do you have children? If somebody is walking a dog and your child wants to pet the dog what needs to happen?

I think you are missing the point that the people had to go past the dogs to get to their house. What the hell were they suppposed to do? If I walked past these dogs every day and they knew me, I might try that too, even if they had pups. I had lots of dogs that knew me and when they had pups they never attacked me.

[Gozer]

These kind of unpredictable attacks are always scary to read about.

[Sliver]

Why are the dogs absolved of any responsibility with you guys? Sorry, but they lost the privilege of cohabitating with humans when they tried to kill two.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Why are the dogs absolved of any responsibility with you guys? Sorry, but they lost the privilege of cohabitating with humans when they tried to kill two.

With some people, animals are more important than people. Quite amazing but that is clearly how some people feel. If you aren't being aggressive towards a dog and it attacks you, then that should be all she wrote for that particular animal.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Ark2

With some people, animals are more important than people. Quite amazing but that is clearly how some people feel. If you aren't being aggressive towards a dog and it attacks you, then that should be all she wrote for that particular animal.

Totally agree. To me it is no question that these dogs should be put down. I feel bad for the dogs, but unless some can ganuntee 100% that these dogs will never attack again, it is too dangerous.

What if these dogs attack a small child next time? How would the person who vouched that these dogs can be rehabilitated feel?

Dogs are animals, they do inherently deserve our respect, and we owe it to them to provide a humane environment. They however are not people, and should not be afforded the same rights. If you maul (like in this case), your done, period. Charge the owners with large fines and jail. They are the ones who caused this, but unfortunately the dog does have to pay that price.

[AvsJerk]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Why are the dogs absolved of any responsibility with you guys? Sorry, but they lost the privilege of cohabitating with humans when they tried to kill two.

I hold the owners to a greater level of responsibility than the dogs. The owners put their dogs in a dangerous situation for all involved: the pups, the mother dog/father dog, the beagle, the victims and themselves.

I see it as similar to letting your dog run around playing in traffic...it's not the dogs fault when it gets hit and killed...it's probably not the drivers fault, but the owner could have and should have prevented the situation.

When people are caretakers for animals, it is their responsibility to protect the animals from harm and the public from their animals...sadly, many people are not good animal caretakers.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Why are the dogs absolved of any responsibility with you guys? Sorry, but they lost the privilege of cohabitating with humans when they tried to kill two.

Be careful voicing that attitude around here. I got uh, dogpiled for suggesting humans should be rescued before pets in the New Orleans hurricane.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Why are the dogs absolved of any responsibility with you guys? Sorry, but they lost the privilege of cohabitating with humans when they tried to kill two.

I personally think it depends on the circumstances, all dogs behave differently in the presence of other dogs, personally I think there should be a general ban on people owning more than one dog, and all animals tend to be defensive around their young.

This particular case was in every way the worst case scenario I can think of, more than one dog, so that essentially a pack responce happens, puppies as well, strangers they don't know and another strange dog involved, it really couldn't have been any more stupid and irresponsible, the owners should have known better as should the friends.

That said I think almost every dog owner I meet in Vancouver is a complete mong, I am fed up of owners that don't watch their dogs like hawks, arn't aware of the enviroment around them, other dogs or cats or children half a mile away etc, and keep dogs that don't come on command and stay on command, if you can't whistle your dog back and make him stay on command you really shouldn't have a dog .

I also hate 'dog parks' where fat assed crustys sit around smoking weed and ignoring their dogs and think this is somehow exercise, its called 'walking the dog' for a reason (this is probably just an east vancouver thing).

[Textcritic]

Lots of misinformation here:

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I personally think it depends on the circumstances, all dogs behave differently in the presence of other dogs, personally I think there should be a general ban on people owning more than one dog, and all animals tend to be defensive around their young.

In the first place, you are indeed correct that different breeds of dog will behave differently in different circumstances, and that it is absolutely incumbent upon owners to know precisely how their animals will behave from one situation to another. However, I fail to see how this reasoning then translates into a rather punitive control measure by which a household should only be allowed to keep no more than one dog. I own two very different dogs, and am well aware of their own characteristics and patterns of behaviour. Am I somehow a greater danger to my community than a single dog owner who does not understand his animal? Please explain the rationale behind your belief.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

...I think almost every dog owner I meet in Vancouver is a complete mong, I am fed up of owners that don't watch their dogs like hawks, arn't aware of the enviroment around them, other dogs or cats or children half a mile away etc...

As a dog owner I completely agree and have no problem and do my best to guard both my animals and the general public whenever they are off my own property.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

...and keep dogs that don't come on command and stay on command, if you can't whistle your dog back and make him stay on command you really shouldn't have a dog.

But here is where you make a massive and unwarranted generalization concerning dog behaviours. You seem to be under the impression that every dog breed possesses the same learning capabilities as every other breed of dog, and that all dogs must have the potential to become Golden Retrievers or Laboradors. This could not be further from the truth, as there are MANY breeds of dog that do not respond well to commands, and are not the servile companions that are imagined as great candidates for obedience training. While my Australian Shepherd is highly responsive and communicative, and thus considered a highly intelligent breed, my Borzoi is aloof and fiercely independent. He will NOT recall, nor stay, nor respond to many conventional stimuli, and thus, according to your criteria would disqualify me as a good dog owner. He is not a "dumb" dog or a poor pet; he simply just doesn't seem to care to do what someone else wants him to do. He is a sight-hound who was bred for running down small animals, and as a result is very easily distracted and sensitive to movement, which he can also detect at incredible distances. However, as like most sight hounds, he is also pretty harmless. The sign of a responsible dog-owner often has nothing to do with how "well trained" a dog may or may not be, as degrees of obedience are very frequently breed specific.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I also hate 'dog parks' where fat assed crustys sit around smoking weed and ignoring their dogs and think this is somehow exercise, its called 'walking the dog' for a reason (this is probably just an east vancouver thing).

If you hate dog-parks, then stay away from them. Dog parks are not for people, they are for dogs, oddly enough. And their purpose is not for the exercise of animals or to promote lethargy among owners, it is for socialization, which is incredibly important in training and keeping any dog. Dogs are highly social animals, and there are MANY breeds of dog who do not socialize well on leash, but are much better off in these sorts of artificial "pack" environments. Walking one's dog is important, but so is socializing it regularly with other dogs (but also with a good deal of discretion and constant supervision), especially when the animal is young. A dog who is never socialized will often become a high-risk animal; to itself, other dogs, and even people.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I personally think it depends on the circumstances, all dogs behave differently in the presence of other dogs, personally I think there should be a general ban on people owning more than one dog, and all animals tend to be defensive around their young.

This particular case was in every way the worst case scenario I can think of, more than one dog, so that essentially a pack responce happens, puppies as well, strangers they don't know and another strange dog involved, it really couldn't have been any more stupid and irresponsible, the owners should have known better as should the friends.

That said I think almost every dog owner I meet in Vancouver is a complete mong, I am fed up of owners that don't watch their dogs like hawks, arn't aware of the enviroment around them, other dogs or cats or children half a mile away etc, and keep dogs that don't come on command and stay on command, if you can't whistle your dog back and make him stay on command you really shouldn't have a dog .

I also hate 'dog parks' where fat assed crustys sit around smoking weed and ignoring their dogs and think this is somehow exercise, its called 'walking the dog' for a reason (this is probably just an east vancouver thing).

Don't go to them. Simple.

I hate people parks where higher and mighty joggers act all healthy and kids are constantly yelling and running around.

Seriously though, your posts in this are some of the most ignorant posts I've read on this board in a long time.

Are some dog owners bad owners? Yep.
Are some owners great dog owners who have well behaved dogs? Yep.

The fortunate thing is that most dog owners are responsible when it comes their pets, if it weren't the case you would hear about these situations way more often.

No on to the topic of the thread. I think if there are any restrictions placed on owning particular breeds of dogs they should restrictions based around having to properly train the dog.

For example, don't ban pitbulls (they are actually great dogs) ensure that any owner of a pitbull has to attend training sessions with that dog for a specified period of time. Of course the problem is that this is difficult to enforce.

I think a big problem with many dog owners is that they pick breeds that may require more discipline then they are prepared for. You see this when you have a 20 year old who's first dog is a rottweiler. These types of dogs require more training and discipline, and these owners are not prepared for the work it takes.

I do agree with some of your post, people need to watch their dogs and keep them out of potentially aggressive situations. These types of incidents are not the fault of the dog but the fault of the owner.

Unfortunately a lot of dog owners think once the dog is house broken, that's really all their is to training, you always have to be aware of how your dog behaves and keep track of any potentially bad traits and constantly work with them.