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Old 07-24-2011, 07:42 PM   #141
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You Know I'm No Good

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Old 07-24-2011, 10:20 PM   #142
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I feel very sorry for her parents. I remember reading an article back in 2007 about her parents begging people to stop buying her albums, that she was very sick and her success was enabling her. Obviously it wasn't going to work, but it must've been very difficult for them seeing their daughter self destruct and not being able to do anything about it.

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Old 07-24-2011, 10:41 PM   #143
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There are other talented female singers out there but the bad ones like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, and Taylor Swift will still get their air time regardless of how popular the talented ones are.
yeah no . . . Winehouse at her height absolutely wipes the floor with Gaga and Perry who are basically all flash 0 substance.
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:44 PM   #144
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yeah no . . . Winehouse at her height absolutely wipes the floor with Gaga and Perry who are basically all flash 0 substance.
That's what he's saying - Gimmick singers like those two will be given spotlight over any talented singer...no matter the talented one's popularity.
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:57 AM   #145
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I'm quite apathetic over he death. While it's unfortunate that someone has died from drug abuse, this happens every day--and for the record, I don't think she deserved to die. I've come to have little patience with drug users and alcoholics. I've been related to and have known too many abusers in my time.

I have no idea who Russell Brand is, his face looks familiar, but he wrote a good article on addictions in The Guardian today. I've pulled two blurbs which I think most reflect my own views, but I encourage you to read the entire article:

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When you love someone who suffers from the disease of addiction you await the phone call. There will be a phone call. The sincere hope is that the call will be from the addict themselves, telling you they've had enough, that they're ready to stop, ready to try something new. Of course though, you fear the other call, the sad nocturnal chime from a friend or relative telling you it's too late, she's gone.
Unfortunate, but I think one could literally shave a decade off their life worrying about an addict. It's stressful! Brand is right, you do wait for those calls, but there is a third type he didn't mention, the one where you will be dragged into their $hit in one way or another--and those calls seems to be the most frequent.

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We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care. We need to look at the way our government funds rehabilitation. It is cheaper to rehabilitate an addict than to send them to prison, so criminalisation doesn't even make economic sense. Not all of us know someone with the incredible talent that Amy had but we all know drunks and junkies and they all need help and the help is out there. All they have to do is pick up the phone and make the call. Or not. Either way, there will be a phone call.
The whole article can be found here.

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I have no idea who Russell Brand is, his face looks familiar, but he wrote a good article on addictions in The Guardian today. I've pulled two blurbs which I think most reflect my own views, but I encourage you to read the entire article:
He's a former heroin addict/famous British comedian.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:03 AM   #147
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Wow - look how much better she looked in this interview prior to the Back to Black album.

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Old 07-25-2011, 10:07 AM   #148
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Heroin as a drug just consumes you from the inside out, it destroys all of your perspective except for the need to take more of it, it rots your body from the inside out, and eventually you don't even get high on it, you just need it to function.

When people argue about the legalization of all drugs, this class of drugs is the reason why you can't legalize all drugs. Its the furthest thing from recreational as it gets.
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I'm quite apathetic over he death. While it's unfortunate that someone has died from drug abuse, this happens every day--and for the record, I don't think she deserved to die. I've come to have little patience with drug users and alcoholics. I've been related to and have known too many abusers in my time.

I have no idea who Russell Brand is, his face looks familiar, but he wrote a good article on addictions in The Guardian today. I've pulled two blurbs which I think most reflect my own views, but I encourage you to read the entire article:
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Good post
Just to add, Russell Brand would also be known as Mr. Katy Perry
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Good post
Just to add, Russell Brand would also be known as Mr. Katy Perry
AKA the guy Katy Perry is cheating on me with. .
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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...circular-ruins

I thought this was a great piece by Jay Caspian Kang.

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The story of Amy Winehouse included an epiphanic moment, in which the torrent of her relationship with Blake Fielder-Civil submarined her down into uncharted depths of rapture and depression. There, she found the inspiration for Back to Black, the 33 minutes that carried her into the international spotlight. Then, as the myth ultimately dictates (every debt must be paid), the same gyre that inspired her was also what took her life.
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Watching Townes Van Zandt slur and apologize his way through "Tower Song" cuts your lungs in half and shrinks the room so that all you can see is a beat old man singing his sad songs. Amy Winehouse never engaged us at that depth — we wanted her to be half-drunk, staggering around, mocking what we had made of her.
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:34 PM   #152
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knowing 20 people does no mean that you are not still anonymous to pretty much everyone else who posts here, and I am still eagre to hear if you act the same way in person, but none of the 20 people have lept out to acknowledge knowing you.
I know puckluck.

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Old 07-25-2011, 02:54 PM   #153
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Weird, but the death is having a crazy effect on her album sales...

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The singer is expected to top the charts this week, after news of her death increased sales of her albums by 37 times, according to Hollywood Reporter.
In addition, her singles "Back To Black" and "Rehab" re-entered the UK charts at 81 and 181 in the short time between news of her death and the calculation of chart positions over the weekend. It is expected that these positions will rise significantly before next week.
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I'm quite apathetic over he death. While it's unfortunate that someone has died from drug abuse, this happens every day--and for the record, I don't think she deserved to die. I've come to have little patience with drug users and alcoholics. I've been related to and have known too many abusers in my time.

I have no idea who Russell Brand is, his face looks familiar, but he wrote a good article on addictions in The Guardian today. I've pulled two blurbs which I think most reflect my own views, but I encourage you to read the entire article:

Unfortunate, but I think one could literally shave a decade off their life worrying about an addict. It's stressful! Brand is right, you do wait for those calls, but there is a third type he didn't mention, the one where you will be dragged into their $hit in one way or another--and those calls seems to be the most frequent.

The whole article can be found here.
I agree with what he is saying - it makes way more sense to rehabilitate than incarcerate. The issue is what is the person isn't interested in rehabilitation? Amy Winehouse had all the opportunity in the world, she could attend any clinic in the world that she needed. Yet none of it worked.

Looking at the community at large, it would be great if we could cut down the prison population by rehabilitating the addicts. I hate the growth in prison populations. But what about the ones who aren't ready or don't want to go clean?

I wish it was a world in which any addict could go through rehab an be clean, but in truth that seems to be a fairy tale. How do you tell the difference between those who are ready to slay their demons and those who aren't?
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so as per Russell B "We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care.".........based on the stuff I have read about Amy, I don't recall reading at any time that she went to jail.........she clearly had the means to go and get care, and pay for it; however, she seemingly choose not to do it and preferred to make a sideshow out of herself by wandering around her neighborhood in her underwear.

wonder how the folks that provided her with stuff have been sleeping the last few days?
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so as per Russell B "We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care.".........based on the stuff I have read about Amy, I don't recall reading at any time that she went to jail.........she clearly had the means to go and get care, and pay for it; however, she seemingly choose not to do it and preferred to make a sideshow out of herself by wandering around her neighborhood in her underwear.

wonder how the folks that provided her with stuff have been sleeping the last few days?
In all likelihood they probably don't give a ####. The fact that they sell it shows their moral worth.
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Like they care, the only thing that probably bothers them is that they lost a lucrative customer.

Drug dealers are scum.

People who enable addicts with drugs are scum.
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Rupert Murdoch says he is touched by some of the lovely messages left on Amy Winehouse's phone.

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^Bur unfortunately he had to delete them as her voicemail was getting full...
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Weird, but the death is having a crazy effect on her album sales...



http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/..._nonsense.html
This always happens. I'm pretty sure when John Lennon was murdered in 1980, Beatles albums from 10-20 years earlier began to chart again.
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