WEEK 4: Battle of Alberta - Part 1

[Flickered Flame]

What is it with the CFL this year? Poorly played games week in and week out. I don't know if there has actually been a good football game yet this year. Neither team tonight was worth anything. If that's the best Edmonton has, they have a long ways to go to becoming a serious threat in the league and the same goes for the Stamps.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moon

Huf doesn't share my opinion?

Is that why Tate has got all those starts in his career?

Or all the times he has played with the game on the line and a healthy Burris?

Nope. It seems that Huf agrees 100% with me that Burris is the better QB and the guy who gives us the best chance to win.

If Huff didn't believe Tate could put points up on the board or get first downs like you say he can't he wouldn't be on the team. Simple as that. Huff's had no issues sending backups packing but Tate's being groomed. If you don't see it honestly there's nothing I can say to convince you.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Yep, CFL reffing has been down in the dumps for a while now. Either way, it's not the reason why teams win or lose.

It's the same across the board. I find it hard to believe that the refs have an agenda against certain clubs.

There is too much evidence for there not to be an agenda to help the Riders but with the other teams I agree it is just incompetence.

As for not the reason for wins and loses the garbage multiple 15 yard calls that should never have been called today did as much for the Eskimos as their offense or defense did.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If Huff didn't believe Tate could put points up on the board or get first downs like you say he can't he wouldn't be on the team. Simple as that.

Or he thinks that he can develop him into a guy that might be able to make it in the future. Plus look around the league it isn't like good QB's are growing on trees.

I have no problem with Tate for the future, I just want no part of him being the starting QB for this team this season or next.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flickered Flame

What is it with the CFL this year? Poorly played games week in and week out. I don't know if there has actually been a good football game yet this year. Neither team tonight was worth anything. If that's the best Edmonton has, they have a long ways to go to becoming a serious threat in the league and the same goes for the Stamps.

Not too worried about the Eskimos. They are peaking too early. They will likely be in the running this year but the division is still the Stampeders to lose. This is the worst stretch of offensive football since the Feterik years and they are still 2-2. Things will get better providing they get a kicker.

[browna]

Pathetic from Parades. Has the leg but the compass is off by a wide margin. Like the 1st loss, the kicker makes those two under 40 yard kicks, they win, and lot of the other issues go away.

Some terrible calls...PI on that sack sequence...roughing the passer is tough too...Calgary's safety hits Ray cleanly and not late, but the momentum of Ray going backwards and the safety going forward means that them both falling down together ontop of each other, which was the reason for the roughing the passer call IMO.

What's Parker doing letting that last kickoff bounce...that 25 yards made a difference for at least 2 plays and 30 seconds off the clock. 3 vs 5 on the line and Burris not getting those extra 2 or 3 seconds to throw is brutal too.

Again, July in CFL means little other then to complain and watch the game for fun...Calgary shoots itself in the foot again, Edmonton is better this year no doubt without that troll Machocia in the mix and Reed installing some discipline, but IMO its still Calgary's division to lose.

Just call McLoughlin, JT Hay, Vanderjat, Pele....anyone who can kick straight.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by browna

Pathetic from Parades. Has the leg but the compass is off by a wide margin. Like the BC loss, he makes those two under 40 yard kicks, they win, and lot of the other issues go away.

Some terrible calls...PI on that sack sequence...roughing the passer is tough too...Calgary's safety hits Ray cleanly, and the momentum of Ray going back and him going forward means that them both falling down together ontop of each other, which was the reason for the roughing the passer call IMO.

What's Parker doing letting that last kickoff bounce...that 25 yards made a difference for at least 2 plays. 3 vs 5 on the line and Burris not getting those extra 2 or 3 seconds to throw is brutal too.

Again, July in CFL means little other then to complain...Calgary shoots itself in the foot, Edmonton is better no doubt without that troll Machocia in the mix and Reed installing some discipline, but IMO its still Calgary's division to lose. Call McLoughlin, JT Hay, Vanderjat, Pele....anyone who can kick straight.

Perfectly put. Just a terrible call, which really hurt the Stamps.

[Cheerio]

Any word on when Maver will be back?

[Kefka]

Someone buy Hank an alarm clock he keeps missing the 1st two quarters

[moon]

Originally Posted by Kefka

Someone buy Hank an alarm clock he keeps missing the 1st two quarters

Can he wake up the receivers as well because they were the problwm with the offense this game.

[Kefka]

Originally Posted by moon

Can he wake up the receivers as well because they were the problwm with the offense this game.

The receivers are to blame for his bad decisions and over throws?? Weird.

[Flames in 07]

CFL is so hard to watch. Untalented refs, sloppy football, uneducated fans that cheer when the home team has the ball, and for some reason Burris gets a pass from most people. He's unbelievably inaccurate.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Kefka

The receivers are to blame for his bad decisions and over throws?? Weird.

No receivers are to blame for dropping the passes.

[PeteLFan]

The offense sputters and still has a decent game stats wise. If we can consistent football just fundamentals like passing and catching we should be good. Also add in kicking just brutal luck since last year, it's not like we are asking for big time kicks either.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

CFL is so hard to watch. Untalented refs, sloppy football, uneducated fans that cheer when the home team has the ball, and for some reason Burris gets a pass from most people. He's unbelievably inaccurate.

In what world (or board) does Burris get a pass?

The guy has been awesome in his second stint with Calgary, the second best QB in the league in that time and people can't wait to run him out of town for mediocre back-up that has shown he struggles with most throws against defenses who don't care.

Burris doesn't come close to getting the respect that he deserves.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by moon

In what world (or board) does Burris get a pass?

The guy has been awesome in his second stint with Calgary, the second best QB in the league in that time and people can't wait to run him out of town for mediocre back-up that has shown he struggles with most throws against defenses who don't care.

Burris doesn't come close to getting the respect that he deserves.

2nd? If your measuring stick is turnovers he's first by miles. If your measuring stick is overthrows, again first.

Now that he doesn't have a great o line he's going to be exposed all year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moon

Burris doesn't come close to getting the respect that he deserves.

Yes he does. Everyone that covers the league knows that no other starting QB in the league has the physical tools Henry has been blessed with. They also know that he's wildly inconsistent and has lost most of the big games he's played in his career. He just doest have the intangibles or accuracy that Calvillo has and has won as many Grey Cups as a Stampeders starter as Marcus Crandell despite having a much superior supporting cast than Crandell ever had. Henry's a good quarterback but not a great quarterback. He's never been the complete package and at this stage of his career it's safe to say he never will. He's just not the winner and leader that Flutie, Garcia, and even Dickenson were but in his defence they represent the best the Stampeders have ever had and Henry's up there but below those guys.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

2nd? If your measuring stick is turnovers he's first by miles. If your measuring stick is overthrows, again first.

Now that he doesn't have a great o line he's going to be exposed all year.

Outside of Calvillo who has been better than Burris since his return to Calgary?

Ray is much worse with INT's and has perfected the 2 yard pass, two and out and missing the play-offs. Durant again much worse with turnovers and is clueless when reading a defense. If the refs aren't handing him PI calls he is done.

Those are the two that can make an argument with results. Every other Qb doesn't even come close to the skill, results and overall great play.

Burris isn't just second he is second by a mile in terms of the top QB's of the past 5 years.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes he does. Everyone that covers the league knows that no other starting QB in the league has the physical tools Henry has been blessed with. They also know that he's wildly inconsistent and has lost most of the big games he's played in his career. He just doest have the intangibles or accuracy that Calvillo has

The same Cavillo that repeatedly came up short in the big game? The same Calvillo that still has a losing record in the GC?

That is the stud that Henry can't match when it comes to

and has won as many Grey Cups as a Stampeders starter as Marcus Crandell despite having a much superior supporting cast than Crandell ever had.

The Stamps won said GC because of Burris and his play, the Crandell Stamps won inspite of him. The supporting cast couldn't have been that bad if they carried him to the win.

Henry's a good quarterback but not a great quarterback. He's never been the complete package and at this stage of his career it's safe to say he never will. He's just not the winner and leader that Flutie, Garcia, and even Dickenson were but in his defence they represent the best the Stampeders have ever had and Henry's up there but below those guys.

Never argued that he was great and I agree that he is behind Flutie, Dickenson and Garcia, but so is every QB in the league right now.

With the lack of talent at the position good is quite frankly good enough right now because there isn't anyone other than AC that is better than Hank and isn't anyone outside of those 2 and maybe Ray at times that is any better than meh.

[OzSome]

Losing to Edmonton sucks but this lost could be a blessing in disguise for the Stamps. They won 2 games pretty much in the 4th quarter and the 2 loses the lost are close as well. I think there is a complacency in this group both on offense and defense. Stamps are also shooting their foot on unnecessary penalties. I saw a few of them roughing the passers that Stamps D could have pull away but instead went to hit Ricky Ray late. If you are going to hit him late, you might as well go for the big hit.
The last 4 games and Burris either overthrowing or underthrowing the ball or the receivers are going on the wrong route or not catching/dropping the catchable ball. Offensive Coordinator Dave Dickerson doesn't seem to use Joffrey Reynolds or Joffrey Reynolds as much as they are supposed to be. Burris is struggling at times and sometimes it helps to relieve the pressure on Burris when the team gets a good running game. Problem is, Reynolds is a type of RB who gets better with more touches. Defense on the other hand got burned a few plays in the last few games but they tend to get better in the second half. MLB Juwan Simpson been struggling a bit this season but he is not alone. Nothing to worry on this group because i think they will get better as a group. Kicker Rene Paredes. Wow, what a storyline this guy have. In his first game everything he does seems to turn into gold.... good on his first field goal try on 50 yards now he can't even hit an easy field goal and he can't even do proper kickoff.
I don't think blaming one player on this lost is fair. The whole team and even the coaching staff are the ones to blame. Better cut down the penalties and Burris and the receivers better practice harder or the struggles will continue. Coach Dickerson and Hufnagel better get back on the drawing board for offensive schemes.