The Dark Knight Rises: July 20, 2012

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by speede5

Anyone else feel like the Catwoman angle is nothing more than a cheap ploy to get a sexy woman into this movie, and will probably end up distracting from the main story. It's going to be hard to take this character seriously if she starts purring.

In Nolan we trust.

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

didn't Azrael take over for Batman when he was out not Nightwing?

Yeah, you're right.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Spoiler!

That happened in the comics, which ended Batman's "career" forcing Dick Grayson (Robin) to take over as Batman.

Are you saying that Bain will break Batman's back, but he'll recover?

I have no idea what Nolan has planned, I'm just curious as to what you're trying to say.

Well if I was Nolan then I could totally see myself doing something like this...Spoiler, since I dunno how to do the fancy box it's in white.

Batman is on the run leading off from last movie, since now the police "hunt" him. He is still helping out Gordon, so he is run down and probably getting PO'ed with the whole crime fighting scene (some internal conflict for Batman). Instert Catwoman as Batmans new love interest since Rachel is dead, Bruce wants to give up Batman knowing that he lost Rachel because he was Batman...Doesn't know she is Catwoman. Bain comes around, kicking ass and taking names...Batman and Bain fight early on and Batman gets his back broken.

Bain starts taking over the city, hurts Gordon somehow in the process (Gordon in hospital). Catwoman and Bain have it out trying to be the #1 criminal in the City while Batman is laid up. Batman rehabs, Gordon pleads his case about the City needing him...Batman comes back because he finds out about Catwoman and is betrayed by her. Defeats Bain...Everyone is happy again.

That is the quick and dirty...There you have the whole rise and fall of Batman everyone is wondering about, and that's how Catwoman is worked in. But I'm not a director/writer, so who knows.

[YYC in LAX]

^^ I like the theory.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by speede5

Anyone else feel like the Catwoman angle is nothing more than a cheap ploy to get a sexy woman into this movie, and will probably end up distracting from the main story. It's going to be hard to take this character seriously if she starts purring.

Pessimistic side of me admits it is possible.

But even Rachael wasn't a traditional love interest for Bruce Wayne. She was more of an example of what he has to sacrifice in order to be the Batman.

Catwoman is more of an anti-hero and has more depth than other characters. I think Nolan will make the characters inclusion worthwhile.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well if I was Nolan then I could totally see myself doing something like this...Spoiler, since I dunno how to do the fancy box it's in white.

Batman is on the run leading off from last movie, since now the police "hunt" him. He is still helping out Gordon, so he is run down and probably getting PO'ed with the whole crime fighting scene (some internal conflict for Batman). Instert Catwoman as Batmans new love interest since Rachel is dead, Bruce wants to give up Batman knowing that he lost Rachel because he was Batman...Doesn't know she is Catwoman. Bain comes around, kicking ass and taking names...Batman and Bain fight early on and Batman gets his back broken.

Bain starts taking over the city, hurts Gordon somehow in the process (Gordon in hospital). Catwoman and Bain have it out trying to be the #1 criminal in the City while Batman is laid up. Batman rehabs, Gordon pleads his case about the City needing him...Batman comes back because he finds out about Catwoman and is betrayed by her. Defeats Bain...Everyone is happy again.

That is the quick and dirty...There you have the whole rise and fall of Batman everyone is wondering about, and that's how Catwoman is worked in. But I'm not a director/writer, so who knows.

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I like it, but it seems to me that Nolan likes his characters a little more gritty. I would expect Catwoman to be a herpes infected, slightly insane stripper at some secondary club in the industrial area of Gotham.

She's angry because some guy took her into the champagne room and robbed her at knife point cutting her cheek and giving her a scar.

Anyways, unless its not a truly broken back I don't see how he can rehab it, and I think that there isn't enough time in the movie for Batman to find a replacement for batman give him a backstory and train him.

I know that Batman gets a broken back in the comics, but it wasn't an instant replacement for Batman was it?

Hey, have we seen Commissioner Gordon's daughter yet, or does his son get a sex change operation in order to become Batgirl?

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Hey, have we seen Commissioner Gordon's daughter yet, or does his son get a sex change operation in order to become Batgirl?

Yeah we have. Along with the boy and Gordon's wife, she was held at gunpoint by Dent or Two Face near the end of The Dark Knight. I don't see Nolan developing this though.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

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I like it, but it seems to me that Nolan likes his characters a little more gritty. I would expect Catwoman to be a herpes infected, slightly insane stripper at some secondary club in the industrial area of Gotham.

She's angry because some guy took her into the champagne room and robbed her at knife point cutting her cheek and giving her a scar.

Anyways, unless its not a truly broken back I don't see how he can rehab it, and I think that there isn't enough time in the movie for Batman to find a replacement for batman give him a backstory and train him.

I know that Batman gets a broken back in the comics, but it wasn't an instant replacement for Batman was it?

Hey, have we seen Commissioner Gordon's daughter yet, or does his son get a sex change operation in order to become Batgirl?

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...I don't have an answer for the whole Catwoman origin. It will be interesting to see how they bring her in.

I wasn't saying that he would have a true replacement. Maybe there is no replacement at all and the criminals run wild? I think it would be a lot cleaner if there was no official Batman replacement while he is out of it, like you said there is not enough time to do a backstory and train someone. Unless they were some random vigilante and didn't give much of a back story? Maybe Azrael just takes it upon himself to try and keep the streets safe and has no real connection to Batman?

Or maybe there is no broken back at all and Batman just got his ass kicked by Bain and said screw it and retired for a bit?...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Yeah we have. Along with the boy and Gordon's wife, she was held at gunpoint by Dent or Two Face near the end of The Dark Knight. I don't see Nolan developing this though.

I must be getting old, I remember seeing the wife the sun and Gordon, but not the daughter.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Don't forget about Mol (Mal?) from Inception playing Talia Al Ghul.

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Originally Posted by speede5

Anyone else feel like the Catwoman angle is nothing more than a cheap ploy to get a sexy woman into this movie, and will probably end up distracting from the main story. It's going to be hard to take this character seriously if she starts purring.

She's really not that hard of a character to write without getting gimicky. She's supposed to be an expert theif with a moral code. In the comics she doesn't kill people, but if Nolan wanted to make her darker he could pretty easily put her on a killing streak.

[stang]

Why the white text? We are all guessing.... No need to "protect" anyone.
I dont think Bane will break Batmans back.... Maybe if there was a fourth movie...

[Hockeyguy15]

You never know...Some people are nazi's about spoilers...Just trying to be courteous

[Igottago]

I'm pessemistic about this movie. The new villains don't appeal to me as much. Not sure how they can put in this Bane character (I admit im not a follower of the comic, so dont know much about him) and Catwoman without it getting into cheesey comic book territory, like most of the Batman movies we've seen before. At the same time they can't really do what they already did with the Joker in making a really psychologically twisted villain -- they can't top that.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm pessemistic about this movie. The new villains don't appeal to me as much. Not sure how they can put in this Bane character (I admit im not a follower of the comic, so dont know much about him) and Catwoman without it getting into cheesey comic book territory, like most of the Batman movies we've seen before. At the same time they can't really do what they already did with the Joker in making a really psychologically twisted villain -- they can't top that.

The Batman movies we have seen before are not even close to being like the Batman movies we see today. Not even close.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by speede5

Anyone else feel like the Catwoman angle is nothing more than a cheap ploy to get a sexy woman into this movie, and will probably end up distracting from the main story. It's going to be hard to take this character seriously if she starts purring.

It's Christopher f***ing Nolan, nothing he does is a cheap ploy.

If you look at his movie history, he can really do no wrong. Every one of his movies is excellent. He doesn't have a bad movie. This isn't Michael Bay we're talking about, Nolan actually understands characters and story.

I really hope that Bane

Spoiler!

doesn't break Batman's back though. Although I think it'd be interesting as it would mean the hero loses which never happens, but it seems to predictable.

Like you guys have mentioned, that scene with Bane approaching Batman looks intense. I want to see a full shot of Hardy, the guy looks huge.

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Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm pessemistic about this movie. The new villains don't appeal to me as much. Not sure how they can put in this Bane character (I admit im not a follower of the comic, so dont know much about him) and Catwoman without it getting into cheesey comic book territory, like most of the Batman movies we've seen before. At the same time they can't really do what they already did with the Joker in making a really psychologically twisted villain -- they can't top that.

Bane and Catwoman are two of the most 3-dimensional villains in the Batman series. Portraying them in a gritty and realistic way really shouldn't be too difficult.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I'm pessemistic about this movie. The new villains don't appeal to me as much. Not sure how they can put in this Bane character (I admit im not a follower of the comic, so dont know much about him) and Catwoman without it getting into cheesey comic book territory, like most of the Batman movies we've seen before. At the same time they can't really do what they already did with the Joker in making a really psychologically twisted villain -- they can't top that.

Bane isn't really a silly comic book villain though. He is somewhat realistic as he is addicted to essentially a military grade steroid (in essence). The cool thing about Bane though is he is just as smart as Batman, even smarter than Batman really.

As for Catwoman, she really is a unique character because, yes she is a love interest for Batman (well Selina Kyle for Bruce), but she really does piss him off as well. Some of the funniest things in the comics is Batman and Catwoman's banter, because he just wants to talk to her, find out what her deal is, but she always such a bitch to him and she always gets away from him. In the comics I have read with her in it, she isn't annoying with all the cat BS like the previous Batman movies.

[CaptainCrunch]

Since its theorizing and I'm lazy

1) Wouldn't it make more sense for Bane to destroy Batman at the end of the movie, that allows you to nicely remove Christian Bale from the series but open the possibility for him to do a brief cameo if they chose to move forward with a new trilogy instead of another reboot. Have him bust up Batman break his back whatever, and at the end you can have Wayne in a Hospital bed bitter and angry and crying for vengence and searching for a new Batman, maybe someone that shows up in this movie. You know end it with the whole "You have to take my place speech" while we see scenes of Bane taking over the city.

2) I want to see Bane carrying around his Teddy Bear

3) I love Catwoman, I loved the Catwoman played by Michelle Pfeiffer, and I think thats a performance thats going to be hard to top. But I don't want the psycho cat woman that she played, rather a jaded bitter sharp witted Cat woman.

4) I don't think we need a reboot or prequels after this one, thats all been covered, leave Gotham wrecked and the new Batman is the guy that brings hope.

5) I think they need to do something with Joker in this movie, I'm not talking a full cameo or roll. But it would be nice to have Batman in Arkham and hear Heath Ledgers voice, you don't even need to see him, but it would be nice to have some kind of salute to Ledger.

6) I liked the detective stuff in the last movie, but I think that we need an angrier Bats, he's been basically betrayed by the city, he should be lashing out more.

7) I keep wondering if Dent is really dead, that wasn't much of a death for Two-Face.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Since its theorizing and I'm lazy

7) I keep wondering if Dent is really dead, that wasn't much of a death for Two-Face.

Eckhart has confirmed that, although he would have loved to be in Batman 3, Dent is in fact dead.