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Old 07-18-2011, 12:12 AM   #81
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Huh?? The last season of Mad Men was just nominated for a bunch of awards. The nominations came out late last week.

John Hamm, Elisabeth Moss, Christine Hendricks and John Slattery were all nominated for acting awards. Hamm is the slam dunk if you ask me although there's plenty of talk about Boardwalk's Steve Buscemi.
Oh, I guess the last season crosses the threshold of the nomination period then?

Hamm should beat Buscemi, his character is just more interesting and Buscemi will have more chances.
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Old 07-18-2011, 02:12 AM   #82
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Definitely not an episode I'll be watching again on re-runs...

Was pretty good though to set up the rest of the season.
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Old 07-18-2011, 06:17 AM   #83
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Definitely not an episode I'll be watching again on re-runs...

Was pretty good though to set up the rest of the season.
Not sure I agree with that. What did they set up?? If anything, they wrapped up most loose ends from last year. Yes, I can kind of see where they are going, but usually in a premiere, there's a tone set for the season and I didn't get that impression last night. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it definitely wasn;t like last season's premiere where the Mexican twins were introduced and we know who they were looking for and that set the tone for an intense season.
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Old 07-18-2011, 07:53 AM   #84
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I don't think this episode went anywhere.

We already know Hank is a dick and him and his wife are having problems.
We already know that Skyler and Walt are paying for Hank's treatments.
We already know that Gus gets #### done and means business.
It was 99% certain that
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We already know that Walt Jr. likes breakfast.

The only thing I got out of this episode is that Hank now collects rocks, Walt likes Kenny Rogers and the
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Old 07-18-2011, 08:38 AM   #85
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Essentially the set up after that episode was that:

- Walt wants to get out
- Gale's Notes will lead to Police/DEA pressure


My bet for the season is that ultimately Hank helps figure out the cook, re-establishing his mental confidence, and the catch Gus; Jesse and Walt don't get caught and possibly get a new motorhome....
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Old 07-18-2011, 09:15 AM   #86
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ya, I think this could be the beginning of the end as well, everything I have read said that everyone involved thinks season 5 will be the last season

knowing that end date could really allow Gilligan to push towards the ending that he wants, and I think Gail's notebook was the start of that
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:06 AM   #87
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interview with Gilligan here, http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollyw...eason-premiere

his thoughts on why Gus killed Victor were interesting to me, I didn't realize the 2nd part but it makes perfect sense

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interview with Gilligan here, http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollyw...eason-premiere

his thoughts on why Gus killed Victor were interesting to me, I didn't realize the 2nd part but it makes perfect sense
Another reason why Gus might have killed Victor is that Gus was afraid Victor would kill Walter (and Jesse) and then demand a lot of money from Gus because he'd be Gus's only option to continue the cook. Gus would rather keep Walter around since he knows Walter's more reliable than Victor both in terms of quality and loyalty.
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ya, I think this could be the beginning of the end as well, everything I have read said that everyone involved thinks season 5 will be the last season

knowing that end date could really allow Gilligan to push towards the ending that he wants, and I think Gail's notebook was the start of that
Well one would hope so but yank TV does tend to refuse to kill shows when it should, if so we will be left spending half the season wondering whether Walt and Skylar get it on again and little else, this will no doubt be followed by Skylar getting more involved in the cooking and killing in order to appeal to the female demo.
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Why did Gus kill Victor? well there was little other choice dramatically, it was either Victor or some combiniation of Jessie and Walt, which would hamper the season somewhat. Personally I think the writer painted himself into a bit of a corner.
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I saw Victor getting killed off that episode the minute he was seen by the people in Gale's apartment. I thought Mike would of been the one to kill him off, but the box-cutter was a nice touch. Pretty gruesome way to die.

And I think the storylines this year will involve both the DEA tracking down Gus' enterprise and probably the rival cartels seen last year. If there is only going to be two more seasons I'd expect a lot of major stuff to happen every few episodes.
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Old 07-18-2011, 02:20 PM   #92
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Well one would hope so but yank TV does tend to refuse to kill shows when it should, if so we will be left spending half the season wondering whether Walt and Skylar get it on again and little else, this will no doubt be followed by Skylar getting more involved in the cooking and killing in order to appeal to the female demo.
normally yes, but cable shows seem to be able to choose their own fate moreso than network shows

from an article in the new york times friday

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So, by necessity, “Breaking Bad” has had to get darker, more violent and more dangerous with every season. Aaron Paul, whose character, Jesse, started out as a burned-out street dealer, has gone from playing a selfish punk to an overwhelmed sidekick, filled with remorse, scarred by the things he’s done.

“All the characters bear the weight of their choices,” he said. “This is not being dark just for the sake of being dark. These are people whose worlds are crashing in on top of them. It’s heavy, heavy stuff.”

Which means, Mr. Gilligan admitted, the show cannot go on much longer. Although he’s changed his mind in the past, he now thinks the show should end after five seasons, if for no other reason than to honor the integrity of the experiment. “This was never intended to be an open-ended show,” he said. “As creators of the show, we have to see it through to the end, to finish what we started.”
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I've watched it twice now. The first time I watched it, I was a little underwhelmed, but I think maybe it was just because I've had over a year to anticipate the new season. The second time I watched it I liked it a whole lot more. Jesse was a little bizarre when at the restaurant, which looked to be a Dennys! Love Dennys. When he motioned with the knife across the throat, it was uncomfortable. I fear where the loveable junkie Jesse is going to go this season.

Looking forward to this season though, I think it's going to be great.


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I think that right there sets the tone. Plus the Denny's scene. Throughout most of it, Walt wasn't acting with confidence like he did last season. He was talking through desperation, where Jesse just sat there with a blank look on his face which was an interesting role reveral.

I enjoyed it, and am looking forward to how it unfolds.
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I thought that was an excellent episode, but this show really can't do any wrong for me.
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Old 07-19-2011, 06:41 AM   #96
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'Breaking Bad' Breaks Ratings Records in Season Four Premiere

Breaking Bad returned to series highs of 2.6 million viewers and 1.5 1.4 million adults 18-49 (~a 1.1 national adults 18-49 rating) . That’s up 30% in total viewers from last year’s premiere which scored just under 2 million and up around 22% with adults 18-49. An impressive feat for a series in its fourth season.
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That doesn't include DVR numbers and "rewatches". Shows on AMC care not only about the overnights, but about the DVRs and the Weeklys because most of their money comes from subscription. Those are pretty huge numbers for a "premium" cable channel.

Cranston was on Carolla's podcast and said that Breaking Bad routinely beats Mad Men in ratings but isn't as "buzz worthy". I think this season might change that with Mad Men not coming back until January.
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I really enjoyed the first episode this season.

Now for S.O.A. to start again in September and I'm set for drama this fall...
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That doesn't include DVR numbers and "rewatches". Shows on AMC care not only about the overnights, but about the DVRs and the Weeklys because most of their money comes from subscription. Those are pretty huge numbers for a "premium" cable channel.
Sure, but they already know how many subscribers they have. DVR numbers are silly IMO...especially for commercial networks.
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DVR numbers are silly IMO...especially for commercial networks.
DVR numbers are what gets them the product placement deals with Denny's and the Sony Vaio (although, that one was a little disgusting since they used it to block out Hank's privates when Marie was putting the bed pan under him).
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