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BlackArcher101 · 07-08-2011, 01:47 PM

They cut the Air Quality Health index?

Hilarious considering they just released it to the public this week.

Barnet Flame · 07-08-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

PUUUULLLLEEEASE!

These weren't some poor family along the Maritimes forced into the EI because they were longer allowed to fish because of some well healed bureaucrat deciding that they should not. This was WELL HEALED BUREAUCRATS no longer ALLOWED to tell those poor families what they can an cannot do.

Stay REAL Rubecube.

Care to back that up with some facts or are you too inebriated from celebrating another 1200 families losing a breadwinner?

LokeyD · 07-08-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

An article with a few more details HERE.

Some highlights (lowlights?):

-Some of the biggest cuts were in the program activities of Climate Change and Clean Air, Substance and Waste Management, Weather and Environmental Services, Water Resources and Internal Services

- Specific programs in which funding was reduced include the Action Plan on Clean Water and the Federal Contaminated Sites Action Plan

- The specific programs that were cut this year include the Chemicals Management Plan, the Clean Air Agenda and the Air Quality Health Index

- The specific programs that will be cut next year include Species at Risk

I would be worried that by cutting government funded science positions Canada will face another "brain drain". Although I can see the reason to save money but cutting funding to programs that are not necessary, perhaps it would be better to think long and hard about the repercussions on a local scale as a well as global scale. I would hate for the rest of the world (sans USA) to think that we are a science-hating regressive society.

rubecube · 07-08-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

PUUUULLLLEEEASE!

These weren't some poor family along the Maritimes forced into the EI because they were longer allowed to fish because of some well healed bureaucrat deciding that they should not. This was WELL HEALED BUREAUCRATS no longer ALLOWED to tell those poor families what they can an cannot do.

Stay REAL Rubecube.

As some have already pointed, care to back any of this up? Regardless of what you think about these people's positions entailed, they are still human beings and now are forced to find means of income in a pretty harsh economy.

I'm also a little surprised at how simple some people view this. Cutting 1200 government jobs doesn't just remove costs from government. Many of those funds reappear in the form of people being given severance pay, applying for social assistance, etc.

Again, not saying I disagree with the decision, but perhaps hold off on the sparklers and streamers.

troutman · 07-08-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Again, not saying I disagree with the decision, but perhaps hold off on the sparklers and streamers.

Emoticons are the punctuation to empty thoughts.

pylon · 07-08-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Emoticons are lame.

Fixed

zamler · 07-08-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pylon

Fixed

CaptainCrunch · 07-08-2011, 03:53 PM

Canada's government has been overloaded with beaurocrats for ever, the biggest monetary drain is our system is that we have a person and a half doing the job of one person.

the biggest drain on our health care system is that there are too many people on the butt end of the spear and not enough people on the sharp end of the spear.

While I feel sorry for the people losing their jobs, they are jobs that we can clearly survive without.

This should have happened about 5 years ago instead of increasing the size of the public work force, we should have been taking an axe to it.

Its a good first step.

Reggie Dunlop · 07-08-2011, 03:55 PM

Harper has better things to spend money on. Like doughnuts. Mmmm.. doughnuts...

Ashartus · 07-08-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

An article with a few more details HERE.

Some highlights (lowlights?):

-Some of the biggest cuts were in the program activities of Climate Change and Clean Air, Substance and Waste Management, Weather and Environmental Services, Water Resources and Internal Services

- Specific programs in which funding was reduced include the Action Plan on Clean Water and the Federal Contaminated Sites Action Plan

- The specific programs that were cut this year include the Chemicals Management Plan, the Clean Air Agenda and the Air Quality Health Index

- The specific programs that will be cut next year include Species at Risk

Yuck - I do a lot of work related to both the Federal Contaminated Sites Action Plan and the Chemicals Management Plan (and think both are pretty important). Guess I'd better get door-knocking for new clients so I don't have to lay anyone off.

Codes · 07-08-2011, 04:43 PM

Hmmm...

Glad to see I made the cut this time. Hopefully I survive the next round.

THE SCUD · 07-08-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Codes

Hmmm...

Glad to see I made the cut this time. Hopefully I survive the next round.

If you don't, expect HoOZ to be here cheering your firing and applauding your bad luck. Classiest CP'er I've seen in my time lurking or posting.

The guy is the prototypical conservatroll.

CaptainCrunch · 07-08-2011, 05:46 PM

Wow . . . was that really called for?

THE SCUD · 07-08-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wow . . . was that really called for?

I think so - he posts an abrasive thread celebrating 1,200 of his coutnrymen being without work, I think my post is completely in keeping with the spirit of the thread, but I have toned it down, might have been a bit much

Teh_Bandwagoner · 07-08-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Care to back that up with some facts or are you too inebriated from celebrating another 1200 families losing a breadwinner?

I'm on your side when it comes to having compassion for those that lost their jobs, but at the same time, I wonder what their severance package was like? I mean..when I got laid off it sucked, but I did come out with extra cash in the end

HOZ · 07-08-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Again, not saying I disagree with the decision, but perhaps hold off on the sparklers and streamers.

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Originally Posted by THE SCUD

I think so - he posts an abrasive thread celebrating 1,200 of his coutnrymen being without work, I think my post is completely in keeping with the spirit of the thread, but I have toned it down, might have been a bit much

Celebrating their job loss? No. Celebrating the government cutting waste. So stop with the attacks directed at me.

AND....

Yes, I do think it is a good thing they lost their government jobs. I see it as an opportunity for them to become productive citizens, become gainfully employed (as I am sure their abilities will allow them quickly to do so) create wealth and pay their part.

Well Healed Bureaucrats?
1.6 billion dollars for 1200 people works out to be 133,000 dollars per person. How much is that in salary? Lets say half. $65,000. That is pretty nice chunk to live off of.

Barnet Flame · 07-09-2011, 01:59 AM

To dismiss all government employees in the way you have, is crass in the extreme. I often find people that hold such extreme views over any topic, tend to have a poor grasp of the issue they express views over.

I almost wish you could opt out of paying tax and subsequently receive no public services or assistance to see how long you last.

SeeBass · 07-09-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HOZ

Celebrating their job loss? No. Celebrating the government cutting waste. So stop with the attacks directed at me.

AND....

Yes, I do think it is a good thing they lost their government jobs. I see it as an opportunity for them to become productive citizens, become gainfully employed (as I am sure their abilities will allow them quickly to do so) create wealth and pay their part.

Well Healed Bureaucrats?
1.6 billion dollars for 1200 people works out to be 133,000 dollars per person. How much is that in salary? Lets say half. $65,000. That is pretty nice chunk to live off of.

I am sorry to hear that you think that is a lot of money

FlamesAddiction · 07-09-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeBass

I am sorry to hear that you think that is a lot of money

You can live off it, but if that is your family income or you are single, you will never own an average home in most big Canadian cities.

CaptainCrunch · 07-09-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

To dismiss all government employees in the way you have, is crass in the extreme. I often find people that hold such extreme views over any topic, tend to have a poor grasp of the issue they express views over.

I almost wish you could opt out of paying tax and subsequently receive no public services or assistance to see how long you last.

I disagree with you, especially when the government is as bloated as this one is.

The government should not be in the field of employing for employment numbers sake, it has an obligation to the taxpayers to be as efficient and lean as possible, just the same as a private company is obligated to its share holders.

It didn't help that the report came out this week of government employees spending their days viewing porn and spending hours on dating sites this week.

The government of any country is by its nature inefficient, and between unrealistic pension and benefit programs and a expected inefficient worker base these cuts have to happen, I would have hoped that they would be a bit deeper to be honest.