Nenshi to lead gay pride parade

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

The comments section in the sun article is pure comedy. hahaha.

If you ever want to know what a typical sun reader thinks....

I enjoy the "why do you come here if you don't like it?" comments. You mean we need to leave them to hate-on like the rest of the world agrees with them?

I was disappointed that there was no "Nen$hi" comments yet.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Shades

I certainly hope that isn't the reason. Because are black people no longer offended at being called the n word? If anything, having such a hot button word has escalated racial divisions.

I think all these extreme public displays are doing are distancing those that normally wouldn't have been offended.

I don't know about that, maybe it pushes away some people but it certainly hasn't had that effect on me or anyone I'm friends with. To us it's entertaining, and in a lot of ways empowering. Granted I have many gay friends, so maybe my circle sees things differently.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Shades

I certainly hope that isn't the reason. Because are black people no longer offended at being called the n word? If anything, having such a hot button word has escalated racial divisions.

I think all these extreme public displays are doing are distancing those that normally wouldn't have been offended.

Some are, some aren't. It (n*gger) certainly doesn't have the power it used to. And there has been much written on this and how and why it happened.

Now I do agree that the extreme public displays might distance some that normally wouldn't be distanced, and I do agree that the movement might benefit more from toning it down to get the most important and serious messages through. But at the end of the day I cant fault the extreme displays because they are a natural reaction to being persecuted.

EDIT: And personally, I don't mind it anyway. And at one day a year I would suggest it's not a lot to put up with for those that do.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Shades

I'd be sad if my sexual preference defined me as a person, whether that be hetero or gay.

It would be sad to be defined by rigid sets of beliefs that justify all kinds out outdated beliefs and values detrimental to a modern society.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Thor

It would be sad to be defined by rigid sets of beliefs that justify all kinds out outdated beliefs and values detrimental to a modern society.

Jebus Christ.

Even you have limits to your supposed flexible viewpoints. Everybody does.

[Rathji]

As much as I dont think marching in a parade in assless chaps (or whatever absurd attire) is appropriate, its not like everyone is wearing that. Just like at the Stampede (or whatever random Art Mann episode) , you will find women wearing the same type of totally in appropriate outfits within a crowd of mostly normally dressed people.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Shades

I'd be sad if my sexual preference defined me as a person, whether that be hetero or gay.

Agreed. Like those people marching in the Stampede Parade on Friday -- they are in the parade, so the Stampede must define them all as people. Pathetic.

[darksilver]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Yay. Do they get a prize?

free Leaf jerseys.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Shades

I'd be sad if my sexual preference defined me as a person, whether that be hetero or gay.

I guess mine pretty much does define me as a person, along with most people. How else would the "hot women" thread remain on the first page for so long and have so many posts?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sometimes I think that the gay pride parades actually feed the stereotypes of the anti gay crowd.

I just don't get how guys running around naked with dog collars around their neck, or with a$$less chaps helps, if anything it keeps people away from the Gay Pride parades especially those members of the next generation who are going to need to be even more accepting.

I went to the gay pride parade in Toronto because my girlfriend at the time really wanted to see it, and to be honest some of the more overt acts of sexuallity even made me uncomfortable, and not in the I'm uncomfortable and need to understand this.

More along the lines of why do you have a naked guy wearing leather straps wearing a dog mask crawling around on all fours at your feet kind of uncomfortable?

I think that there is a group of militant gays who's only goal in life is to kind of keep the stereotype alive of a pervese lifestyle because it allows them to keep fighting.

The Onion did an article on exactly this point 10 years ago...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gay...e-of-gays,351/

WEST HOLLYWOOD, CA–The mainstream acceptance of gays and lesbians, a hard-won civil-rights victory gained through decades of struggle against prejudice and discrimination, was set back at least 50 years Saturday in the wake of the annual Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade.

"I'd always thought gays were regular people, just like you and me, and that the stereotype of homosexuals as hedonistic, sex-crazed deviants was just a destructive myth," said mother of four Hannah Jarrett, 41, mortified at the sight of 17 tanned and oiled boys cavorting in jock straps to a throbbing techno beat on a float shaped like an enormous phallus. "Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong."

The parade, organized by the Los Angeles Gay And Lesbian And Bisexual And Transvestite And Transgender Alliance (LAGALABATATA), was intended to "promote acceptance, tolerance, and equality for the city's gay community." Just the opposite, however, was accomplished, as the event confirmed the worst fears of thousands of non-gay spectators, cementing in their minds a debauched and distorted image of gay life straight out of the most virulent right-wing hate literature.

Among the parade sights and sounds that did inestimable harm to the gay-rights cause: a group of obese women in leather biker outfits passing out clitoris-shaped lollipops to horrified onlookers; a man in military uniform leading a submissive masochist, clad in diapers and a baby bonnet, around on a dog leash; several Hispanic dancers in rainbow wigs and miniskirts performing "humping" motions on a mannequin dressed as the Pope; and a dozen gyrating drag queens in see-through dresses holding penis-shaped beer bottles that appeared to spurt ejaculation-like foam when shaken and poured onto passersby.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

The comments section in the sun article is pure comedy. hahaha.

If you ever want to know what a typical sun reader thinks....

Wait... a typical Sun reader thinks?

[kermitology]

Why do we always call them assless chaps? Aren't all chaps by definition assless? It's just if the wearer has pants on underneath or not that makes the difference.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Being grand marshall makes one about as gay as it makes someone leading the stampede parade a cowboy.

Nenshi is straight - not that it matters.

I always understood that leading the gay pride parade was an honour, but the real important guy was the one bringing up the rear...

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Jebus Christ.

Even you have limits to your supposed flexible viewpoints. Everybody does.

Of course I do, I won't discriminate against a group of humans based on outdated beliefs, hell even most Christians are now in favor of gay marriage, so even most of them do too.

I have no patience anymore for the viewpoint of love the sinner, hate the sin nonsense. "Your living in sin, you'll burn in hell but I respect you and love you." Sorry that's just not ok in modern society, when we have Africa's witch hunts of gays, Uganda's attempts to put gay people to death and a health minister representing over 1 billion people (India) calling gay a disease brought in from outside the country.

We have a significant portion of this world where being gay is life threatening, and if they are lucky only something that will make them outcasts and shunned by their society. We have a long way to go, and its Religious beliefs that are behind this attitude against gays, well mostly; so I'll keep calling out people who use that as their excuse to continue these stupid beliefs, being gay is not a choice and anyone stupid enough to believe this needs to have their head examined.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Thor

Of course I do, I won't discriminate against a group of humans based on outdated beliefs, hell even most Christians are now in favor of gay marriage, so even most of them do too.

I have no patience anymore for the viewpoint of love the sinner, hate the sin nonsense. "Your living in sin, you'll burn in hell but I respect you and love you." Sorry that's just not ok in modern society, when we have Africa's witch hunts of gays, Uganda's attempts to put gay people to death and a health minister representing over 1 billion people (India) calling gay a disease brought in from outside the country.

We have a significant portion of this world where being gay is life threatening, and if they are lucky only something that will make them outcasts and shunned by their society. We have a long way to go, and its Religious beliefs that are behind this attitude against gays, well mostly; so I'll keep calling out people who use that as their excuse to continue these stupid beliefs, being gay is not a choice and anyone stupid enough to believe this needs to have their head examined.

Sure.

So what does a parade in the first world have to do with people getting killed in Uganda?

And what does that have to do with anybody you know? Or are you only against some abstract group of people?

It's great and all, quite frankly I myself really couldn't care less about what anyone's viewpoints are about most subjects, but whatever.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Yeah, where is this single mother parade?

Same place as always, waitressing at Cowboys during the Stampede.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Sure.

So what does a parade in the first world have to do with people getting killed in Uganda?

Its a global community, the interwebz and world media. The west is supposed to lead the way when it comes to freedom and democracy. US evangelical pastors went to Uganda to speak on the evils of homosexuality and it being a destructive force on society, months later bills are being promoted to make homosexuality a criminal offense and has turned a nation which was homophobic before to being rather radical about it. I have a friend on facebook who lives in Uganda, he's been beaten up repeatedly, moved many times, and is attempting to flee the country.

And what does that have to do with anybody you know? Or are you only against some abstract group of people?

I'm not sure what you mean by this, do I have to know a black man to be against racism? I'm not against some abstract group of people, I'm against an idea, against a philosophy and belief system that I hold to be morally reprehensible and wrong in this day and age. I am not against Christians for example, because many of them support gay marriage now.

It's great and all, quite frankly I myself really couldn't care less about what anyone's viewpoints are about most subjects, but whatever.

Thats fine, not everyone wants to get involved in activism or debating people on issues, most people in the world just live their lives and keep out of this stuff; nothing wrong with that.

But activism and symbolic things such as pride parades, civil rights marches, etc are deeply meaningful and often necessary when a group of people is persecuted for who they are.

With all our debates on gay marriage, to this day not one non religious reason (minus Peter linking a book on some philosophical reason about government not stepping in and gay marriage being detrimental to its own movement) has been given that hasn't been laughed at.

Even most religious people in the west now realize even if they before felt it was against their religion to agree with it, now they do. How do you think they reached that conclusion if it wasn't for the publicity and activism of countless people trying to wake people up to this injustice of human rights.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Thor

With all our debates on gay marriage, to this day not one non religious reason (minus Peter linking a book on some philosophical reason about government not stepping in and gay marriage being detrimental to its own movement) has been given that hasn't been laughed at.

That's a bit of a tautology there. If you say all the arguments aren't credible, that's fine. But now you're using an ill-defined judge of those reasons as an objective standard. If you laugh at all the potential reasons, then of course none of them haven't been laughed at.

That doesn't establish the quality of those reasons, just that people on the opposing side of the issue laugh at them, which in our polarized society doesn't necessarily prove much.

[Thor]

Aren't credible without a religious reasoning, and its not just me who laughs

Rational, ethical, moral reasons which do not invoke a deity; no good arguments have been made.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

What a joke that is too. The Sun is fearmongering at its best - print media's last grasp at survival.

I feel dirty reading that. The Sun and the people that read that rag deserve each other.