Nenshi to lead gay pride parade

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by driveway

This is the kind of statement that is invariably made by the ignorant. You're a relatively smart guy and you've thought through your position carefully, see if you can spot the difference between a parade designed to celebrate the acceptance and existence of a group of people who have been marginalized, disenfranchised and - in many cases - outright murdered by the general population for thousands of years; and a parade designed to celebrate the group of people who have maintained essentially an absolute monopoly on political, economic and military power for at least the last half-dozen centuries.

There is a damn good reason to protest the 'unmarried, straight white-guy' parade and there is a damn good reason to have a Gay Pride parade.

And OF COURSE their parade is going to be sexual! This is a parade for people who are declared to be different because of who they have sex with! What the hell else are they going to to for their parade?

Hyperbole Fight!!!!!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Oh no, someone has a differing opinion on something and I cant rationally debate the issue so lets call that person a racist/bigot. Michael Moore called, he wants you to return the can of Nutella you borrowed.

Signature, who no, the SCUD thinks everyone should be Euro Trash garbage peace on earth crap. What, this is a 100% exclusive parade designed for one small segment of the population. If there was a parade for single white caucasian men every leftist green peace unicef mofo would be up in arms.

But this, this we should all support because, um why again? People can parade for whatever they want but dont expect me to support it an any way whatsoever, just like I wont support the single mothers parade, the divorced white men parade etc etc etc etc etc.

And referencing a signature, on no your right, in democratic societies with 3 levels of checks and balances your are 100% right, people shouldnt be able to vote for things, we should just elect a group old folks to tell us what is best - wouldnt that be a great world, where the aristocracy decided what was best for us poor plebs here - let me guess your parents are loaded and they bought you a Toyota Tercel which you pimped out with a massive spoiler and a can of NAS.

100% exclusive? Umm no. Pride parades are actually the opposite of that. People from all walks of life are welcome, gay, straight, whatever. Hell, I inadvertently wound up halfway in the NY parade this year trying to get to my studio, nobody cared.

And your signature is idiotic largely because you clearly have no grasp on what a democratic law in the US actually means.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by valo403

100% exclusive? Umm no. Pride parades are actually the opposite of that. People from all walks of life are welcome, gay, straight, whatever. Hell, I inadvertently wound up halfway in the NY parade this year trying to get to my studio, nobody cared.

Yeah, but you're gay.

[Thor]

Based on Iceland's pride parade, 90%-ish of the people there were straight and the rest gay.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Byrns

Maybe he was doing his Twitter flame war with the Sun then?

http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/07/05/sun-burned

Nenshi should be automatically extended just for this.

"The Sun makes stuff up"! good thing he's not a hockey fan or Eric Francis would be toast.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Oh no, someone has a differing opinion on something and I cant rationally debate the issue so lets call that person a racist/bigot. Michael Moore called, he wants you to return the can of Nutella you borrowed.

Signature, who no, the SCUD thinks everyone should be Euro Trash garbage peace on earth crap. What, this is a 100% exclusive parade designed for one small segment of the population. If there was a parade for single white caucasian men every leftist green peace unicef mofo would be up in arms.

But this, this we should all support because, um why again? People can parade for whatever they want but dont expect me to support it an any way whatsoever, just like I wont support the single mothers parade, the divorced white men parade etc etc etc etc etc.

And referencing a signature, on no your right, in democratic societies with 3 levels of checks and balances your are 100% right, people shouldnt be able to vote for things, we should just elect a group old folks to tell us what is best - wouldnt that be a great world, where the aristocracy decided what was best for us poor plebs here - let me guess your parents are loaded and they bought you a Toyota Tercel which you pimped out with a massive spoiler and a can of NAS.

Last time I checked, they don't force you to do a dude before watching the parade.

Michael Moore called, he wants you to return the can of Nutella you borrowed.

If there was a parade for single white caucasian men every leftist green peace unicef mofo would be up in arms.

let me guess your parents are loaded and they bought you a Toyota Tercel which you pimped out with a massive spoiler and a can of NAS.

This is not how one has a rational debate. Interesting that you are calling others out on that.

And BTW, WTF is a can of NAS. Superstar hip hop artist NAS does not come in a can. He does have a hit single I Can....

[WilsonFourTwo]

A Rob Anders or Jason Kenny type character leading a Gay Pride Parade is a big new story.

A left-leaning mayor participating for the second year in a row smacks of a slow news day.

[Bertuzzied]

The comments section in the sun article is pure comedy. hahaha.

If you ever want to know what a typical sun reader thinks....

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Last time I checked, they don't force you to do a dude before watching the parade.

According to Stats Canada, about 1% of the canadian population is gay. So if 100% of the countries gay population showed up, they still wouldn't even be the majority at their own parade.

In 10 years, everyone's going to be like "hey, remember when pride parades were about gay people."

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sometimes I think that the gay pride parades actually feed the stereotypes of the anti gay crowd.

I just don't get how guys running around naked with dog collars around their neck, or with a$$less chaps helps, if anything it keeps people away from the Gay Pride parades especially those members of the next generation who are going to need to be even more accepting.

I went to the gay pride parade in Toronto because my girlfriend at the time really wanted to see it, and to be honest some of the more overt acts of sexuallity even made me uncomfortable, and not in the I'm uncomfortable and need to understand this.

More along the lines of why do you have a naked guy wearing leather straps wearing a dog mask crawling around on all fours at your feet kind of uncomfortable?

I think that there is a group of militant gays who's only goal in life is to kind of keep the stereotype alive of a pervese lifestyle because it allows them to keep fighting.

And this is why I tend to go to the mountains when the parade occurs.

We talk about the importance of no one interfering with what goes on in our bedrooms, then they take what goes on in the bedroom and parade it front of people, thus muting the actual important message from good groups that are marching for a purpose.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by driveway

This is the kind of statement that is invariably made by the ignorant. You're a relatively smart guy and you've thought through your position carefully, see if you can spot the difference between a parade designed to celebrate the acceptance and existence of a group of people who have been marginalized, disenfranchised and - in many cases - outright murdered by the general population for thousands of years; and a parade designed to celebrate the group of people who have maintained essentially an absolute monopoly on political, economic and military power for at least the last half-dozen centuries.

I get what your saying and an awful lot of it is completely valid. But half of the battle for anything is in the forum of public relations, and to me sometimes the gay pride message of the parade tends to be lost as some of it and some of the participants almost seems to be acting as freakish as possible. There's a difference between fighting to gain acceptance and making a statement.

Originally Posted by driveway

There is a damn good reason to protest the 'unmarried, straight white-guy' parade and there is a damn good reason to have a Gay Pride parade.

I agree that there's a great reason to have a gay pride parade, however the question is in my mind, if your going to continually try to gain the acceptance of future and past generation, should you really have elements in these parades that make it so members of these generations not show up. I have no problems bringing my nephews to parades that are fun and bright and have purpose. I'm not bringing them to any public display of naked bondage no matter if its male on male or male on femaile.

I also would like to understand why you would think that a hetero pride parade should be protested? it sounds almost heterophobic.

Originally Posted by driveway

And OF COURSE their parade is going to be sexual! This is a parade for people who are declared to be different because of who they have sex with! What the hell else are they going to to for their parade?

There's a difference between taking pride in who you have sex with and displaying the most extreme and stereotypical manner of having sex with someone. When you see people running around in naked bondage, or pony wear or naked a$$less chaps all your really doing is feeding a stereotype not defeating the stereo type.

[MelBridgeman]

Keep the goverment out of the bedroom and keep the bedroom off the streets.

[CaptainCrunch]

And keep Fotze's mamma in my bedroom.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's a difference between taking pride in who you have sex with and displaying the most extreme and stereotypical manner of having sex with someone. When you see people running around in naked bondage, or pony wear or naked a$$less chaps all your really doing is feeding a stereotype not defeating the stereo type.

Is it really a stereotype when it's based in reality? Obviously the percentage of the gay population who engage in that particular behavior is inflated, and it that sense stereotypes the entire group, but I don't have a problem with that behavior at the parade when it's people simply being themselves. That's actually what I like about most of the people at pride parades, they're out to just be themselves and be proud to be themselves. I'd say that a large part of the over the top antics come from a desire to take the opportunity to let out a lot of stuff that they are forced to hide on aday to day basis and to do so in a very public way. It's a strange dynamic and can't even begin to fully comprehend, I've never had to hide who I am in any manner simply to live a normal life. There are probably people who use the occassion as a F-U to society, which in some places makes sense, but I think we'll see that group get smaller and smaller as gay rights become somethign that's a given as opposed to an ongoing battle.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by valo403

Is it really a stereotype when it's based in reality? Obviously the percentage of the gay population who engage in that particular behavior is inflated, and it that sense stereotypes the entire group, but I don't have a problem with that behavior at the parade when it's people simply being themselves. That's actually what I like about most of the people at pride parades, they're out to just be themselves and be proud to be themselves. I'd say that a large part of the over the top antics come from a desire to take the opportunity to let out a lot of stuff that they are forced to hide on aday to day basis and to do so in a very public way. It's a strange dynamic and can't even begin to fully comprehend, I've never had to hide who I am in any manner simply to live a normal life. There are probably people who use the occassion as a F-U to society, which in some places makes sense, but I think we'll see that group get smaller and smaller as gay rights become somethign that's a given as opposed to an ongoing battle.

I can only base it on what I know and see. For example I'm a healthy heterosexual male, aged 43, who's been in a lot of relationships, and obviously you have to do a lot to keep your sex life fresh.

However, I first and foremost don't see a reason to advertise those particular lets call them fetishes in public. But I would be feeding a stereotype if I did that older men are complete f%%%ing perverts.

TO me just being part of the gay pride parade shows your pride in being who you are. You're willing to stand up in front of the world and say that you're gay, and thats entirely awesome.

Sing, dance, have a party, thats awesome.

However, when you have people walking around naked in fetish wear or what have you, you're going to get that element of society that thinks, that the centuries old stereotype of gay going hand in hand with perversion.

To me personally the Gay Pride Parade is an educational experience that homosexuals have normal healthy relationships just like everyone else, and that they're comfortable in their skin.

A$$less chaps don't do that

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I can only base it on what I know and see. For example I'm a healthy heterosexual male, aged 43, who's been in a lot of relationships, and obviously you have to do a lot to keep your sex life fresh.

However, I first and foremost don't see a reason to advertise those particular lets call them fetishes in public. But I would be feeding a stereotype if I did that older men are complete f%%%ing perverts.

TO me just being part of the gay pride parade shows your pride in being who you are. You're willing to stand up in front of the world and say that you're gay, and thats entirely awesome.

Sing, dance, have a party, thats awesome.

However, when you have people walking around naked in fetish wear or what have you, you're going to get that element of society that thinks, that the centuries old stereotype of gay going hand in hand with perversion.

To me personally the Gay Pride Parade is an educational experience that homosexuals have normal healthy relationships just like everyone else, and that they're comfortable in their skin.

A$$less chaps don't do that

Try a little talcum powder

[Shades]

I'd be sad if my sexual preference defined me as a person, whether that be hetero or gay.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sometimes I think that the gay pride parades actually feed the stereotypes of the anti gay crowd.

I just don't get how guys running around naked with dog collars around their neck, or with a$$less chaps helps, if anything it keeps people away from the Gay Pride parades especially those members of the next generation who are going to need to be even more accepting.

I went to the gay pride parade in Toronto because my girlfriend at the time really wanted to see it, and to be honest some of the more overt acts of sexuallity even made me uncomfortable, and not in the I'm uncomfortable and need to understand this.

More along the lines of why do you have a naked guy wearing leather straps wearing a dog mask crawling around on all fours at your feet kind of uncomfortable?

I think that there is a group of militant gays who's only goal in life is to kind of keep the stereotype alive of a pervese lifestyle because it allows them to keep fighting.

I would tend to agree with a lot of this, though I think I understand where a lot of it comes from too.

When you are ridiculed, abused, threatened, attacked, etc. just for being who you are, the natural reaction is to defend it. And the best way to do that is to celebrate it, and to take away that which is used against you.

It's the same thing as black people taking back the word n*gger, or females empowering the word bitch.

If gay people go over the top and celebrate the craziest things that are part of gay culture and empower those things, they can't be used against them. If your ok with crawling downtown in front of people in a dog collar it pretty much takes away all their power over you when it comes to mocking you.

Now, this may have been more important in years past, now that there is more acceptance of gay lifestyle and culture, but it's hard to blame (for lack of a better word cause I know that's not exactly what you meant CC) the group that has had to fight back for their rights, safety, and place in society.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sometimes I think that the gay pride parades actually feed the stereotypes of the anti gay crowd.

I just don't get how guys running around naked with dog collars around their neck, or with a$$less chaps helps, if anything it keeps people away from the Gay Pride parades especially those members of the next generation who are going to need to be even more accepting.

I went to the gay pride parade in Toronto because my girlfriend at the time really wanted to see it, and to be honest some of the more overt acts of sexuallity even made me uncomfortable, and not in the I'm uncomfortable and need to understand this.

More along the lines of why do you have a naked guy wearing leather straps wearing a dog mask crawling around on all fours at your feet kind of uncomfortable?

I think that there is a group of militant gays who's only goal in life is to kind of keep the stereotype alive of a pervese lifestyle because it allows them to keep fighting.

I dunno, I look at the gay pride parade as a way for the gay community to give a big middle finger to all the people who stereotype and make fun of gay people. It's basically a statement saying "You think we're flamboyant and fruity? We'll show you how flamboyant and fruity we can be. And you know what? We dont' give a sh** how you see us."

[Shades]

Originally Posted by Daradon

And the best way to do that is to celebrate it, and to take away that which is used against you.

It's the same thing as black people taking back the word n*gger, or females empowering the word bitch.

If gay people go over the top and celebrate the craziest things that are part of gay culture and empower those things, they can't be used against them. If your ok with crawling downtown in front of people in a dog collar it pretty much takes away all their power over you when it comes to mocking you.

I certainly hope that isn't the reason. Because are black people no longer offended at being called the n word? If anything, having such a hot button word has escalated racial divisions.

I think all these extreme public displays are doing are distancing those that normally wouldn't have been offended.