With all the mail that is now backlogged in their depots and the giant mess it must be in, we'll probably be waiting two or three weeks with strange mail service before we recieve everything that we should have gotten.
Going back to work now for CP employees must be incredibly bitter. Not only did they not reach their goals, the bill essentially gives them fewer concessions than CP's actual offer. Now they go back to a workplace that will be more swamped and messed up than it is at Christmas time.
With all the mail that is now backlogged in their depots and the giant mess it must be in, we'll probably be waiting two or three weeks with strange mail service before we recieve everything that we should have gotten.
So, you're saying it will be the same level of service we were getting before the strike?
In the last six months, more than once, I've received letters that were addressed perfectly well but were for someone in the same unit number of a building a block away, with a completely different postal code and absolutely nothing else in common with my address.
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With all the mail that is now backlogged in their depots and the giant mess it must be in, we'll probably be waiting two or three weeks with strange mail service before we recieve everything that we should have gotten.
Going back to work now for CP employees must be incredibly bitter. Not only did they not reach their goals, the bill essentially gives them fewer concessions than CP's actual offer. Now they go back to a workplace that will be more swamped and messed up than it is at Christmas time.
F*** them. Crying about stupid s***, and striking. Public services in the first place should not be allowed to strike. Soon after/during a global recession. You get paid a high wage, and get a pretty damn good vacation structure upon many other good benefits, compared to most companies out there.
In my eyes, CP set a standard for the general public about how stupid striking is, and just because you strike doesnt mean you deserve what you are asking for.
Thank you to the Majority Government, for stepping in, and putting them back to work to stop the non-sense and show that its not the unions that run these companies and they cant always have what they want. I am glad they are going back to work with LESS of an offer the CP recently handed their way and the union reps denied...
Unions need to stop being so f"in greedy.
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I'm not thrilled with the strike/lockout (I actually use mail for both business and personal things and it has been a huge irritation). That being said when service was disrupted due to rotating strikes I didn't really care. It was between the corporation and their employees. When service was cut to 3 days a week I thought that was fine as well....I actually think they should do that permanently for residential service.
The lockout though is where things got screwed up. If CP wants to complain that the limited disruption cost them $100M (a figure that is probably grossly inflated in the propaganda war) then how much did a complete shutdown cost? It was the corporations choice to scale back to 3 day service and their choice again to lockout the workers.
So while I tend to agree with people saying the union should just be happy to have a job, I also think the corporation did their best to grind down morale at CP. Really, I hardly care about the dispute though....I just want the mail to be delivered and the reason it stopped is CP, not the workers themselves.
Before anyone dives in and says "Slava, you hate the CPC and of course are on the other side" you should know that I think that the NDP games through this were just ridiculous. Basically they just wasted everyone's time and for no good reason. They were just grandstanding. I actually do think that the CPC was left with no choice but to force the people back to work here as well. So this isn't political for me. I just think that the corporation is where the blame should lie.
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I'm not thrilled with the strike/lockout (I actually use mail for both business and personal things and it has been a huge irritation). That being said when service was disrupted due to rotating strikes I didn't really care. It was between the corporation and their employees. When service was cut to 3 days a week I thought that was fine as well....I actually think they should do that permanently for residential service.
The lockout though is where things got screwed up. If CP wants to complain that the limited disruption cost them $100M (a figure that is probably grossly inflated in the propaganda war) then how much did a complete shutdown cost? It was the corporations choice to scale back to 3 day service and their choice again to lockout the workers.
So while I tend to agree with people saying the union should just be happy to have a job, I also think the corporation did their best to grind down morale at CP. Really, I hardly care about the dispute though....I just want the mail to be delivered and the reason it stopped is CP, not the workers themselves.
Before anyone dives in and says "Slava, you hate the CPC and of course are on the other side" you should know that I think that the NDP games through this were just ridiculous. Basically they just wasted everyone's time and for no good reason. They were just grandstanding. I actually do think that the CPC was left with no choice but to force the people back to work here as well. So this isn't political for me. I just think that the corporation is where the blame should lie.
I find it funny that everyone rags on the union for being "greedy" and "manipulative"...Yet no one says a word about the corporation being "greedy" and "manipulative". Good post.
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If CP wants to complain that the limited disruption cost them $100M (a figure that is probably grossly inflated in the propaganda war) then how much did a complete shutdown cost? It was the corporations choice to scale back to 3 day service and their choice again to lockout the workers.
I think the point was if it was going to cost them $X per week; they may as well do what they could to shorten the length of the dispute. Rotating strikes only cost the workers 5-10% of their salaries; and the 3 day work week only cost them 40%.
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I think the point was if it was going to cost them $X per week; they may as well do what they could to shorten the length of the dispute. Rotating strikes only cost the workers 5-10% of their salaries; and the 3 day work week only cost them 40%.
Sure, but the reality is that's why we lost mail service. Their other alternative was to just negotiate an agreement and get it over with. That still has to be done anyway?
An article from the Globe and Mail. The just of it beign the real justification of the strike/lock out.
Also, further in the article, a very calculated move by Canada Post if true to trap the union
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The dispute was never about pensions and new hires. For both sides, it was about a smaller Canada Post and more flexible work rules in the large urban sorting plants where Canada Post has invested $2-billion in new equipment. These machines will allow the postal service to save roughly $250-million a year, largely by delivering more mail with 7,000 fewer workers, according to an internal CUPW bulletin to members.
The real long-term threat to CUPW is that its membership will inevitably shrink as Canada Post’s monopoly letter-delivery business fades.
Workers seem to be out of touch with a stark reality: Canada Post isn’t a make-work project. Its main business is in inexorable decline. Since 2006, the average number of pieces of mail delivered to Canadians has fallen 17 per cent, replaced by e-mail, online billing and other electronic transactions. At the same time, Canada Post is required by its mandate to get the mail to roughly 200,000 new addresses every year.
And in spite of the government’s seemingly harsh back-to-work order, CUPW may just find that most Canadians are with the Harper government on this one.
I think the point was if it was going to cost them $X per week; they may as well do what they could to shorten the length of the dispute. Rotating strikes only cost the workers 5-10% of their salaries; and the 3 day work week only cost them 40%.
Not to mention the fact that rotating strikes and sporadic delivery would probably allow both sides to drag this on forever and we would be suffering through this strike for months. Locking the employees out is what forced the issue.
I love the CUPW line in their warning to members:
“Canada Post is determined to eliminate work through service cuts, contracting out and new technology, especially the new machines and work methods associated with modernization”
If that isn't a sign of a dinosaur that deserves to go extinct, I don't know what is.
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Not to mention the fact that rotating strikes and sporadic delivery would probably allow both sides to drag this on forever and we would be suffering through this strike for months. Locking the employees out is what forced the issue.
Did you find you were suffering that much getting mail only 3 days a week? I'm pretty sure I could live with that for approximately forever.
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An article from the Globe and Mail. The just of it beign the real justification of the strike/lock out.
Also, further in the article, a very calculated move by Canada Post if true to trap the union
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Workers seem to be out of touch with a stark reality: Canada Post isn’t a make-work project. Its main business is in inexorable decline. Since 2006, the average number of pieces of mail delivered to Canadians has fallen 17 per cent, replaced by e-mail, online billing and other electronic transactions. At the same time, Canada Post is required by its mandate to get the mail to roughly 200,000 new addresses every year.
This is the reason that unions GMG. In the face of technological advancement and all the logic in the world, unions continue to pount their fists on tables like children and demand job security and raises in settings that are either in decline (like letter mail) or moving towards computers and automation.
How can a company possibly continue to employ x number of people and resist moving toward technology without ending up dead in the water? Why don't unions understand that in every industry humans are being replaced by machines, and therefore, companies cannot guarantee employment for every employee indefinitely?
Job security is bullshlt. Employees aren't loyal to companies, so why do companies need to be loyal to employees, outside of regular industry norms? That's all unions do anymore is restrict companies from continually refining their operations and becoming more efficient and more profitable. And don't give me any crap about sexual harassment and things like getting fired for being ugly. People get fired for being lazy slackers and for screwing up on the job. And yeah, there are unfair dismissals in private industry, but they're not all that common. There are human rights boards to deal with that stuff. And I'm willing to bet that half the stories of unfair dismissals are ex employees that are too blind to see that they just weren't cutting the mustard, so they got fired, but all they do is complain that the boss hated them. Cry me a river.
Unions were invented to get safety standards up, not to protect letter carriers from being replaced by superboxes and sorting machines.
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Did you find you were suffering that much getting mail only 3 days a week? I'm pretty sure I could live with that for approximately forever.
Exactly my point. Mail 3 days a week would have become the status quo because nobody would notice the difference and the CUPW and Union would just wrangle with each other for months until the CUPW was exhausted of funds. Wait...that might have been a good idea.
An article from the Globe and Mail. The just of it beign the real justification of the strike/lock out.
Also, further in the article, a very calculated move by Canada Post if true to trap the union
That article is a nice summary read. So many things boggle my mind from the union:
So CUPW used the dispute to push back. It wanted Canada Post to become larger, rather than smaller. It urged the post office, for example, to get intobanking, getting rid of super mailboxes and allowing letter carriers to check up on the elderly along their routes. Higher postal rates would pay for the expanded service.
Workers seem to be out of touch with a stark reality: Canada Post isn’t a make-work project.
In material distributed Friday, the union is calling on Canada Post to be more like France's postal service, which is combating reduced postal use by starting a new service called, Bonjour facteur! (Good morning, postman!).
Under the program, French letter carriers would do jobs usually carried out by family members, such as checking-in on the elderly and delivering medicines from local pharmacies to people with mobility problems.
WTF?! Next thing you know, the postal union will want to start up hospices, dog walking services or take over pool boy/milkmen duties for MILF's.
Exactly my point. Mail 3 days a week would have become the status quo because nobody would notice the difference and the CUPW and Union would just wrangle with each other for months until the CUPW was exhausted of funds. Wait...that might have been a good idea.
I guess we agree then. I'd be pretty happy to receive 3/5th of the service from Canada Post if it reduced the cost of that service/kept it sustainable.
That article is a nice summary read. So many things boggle my mind from the union:
So CUPW used the dispute to push back. It wanted Canada Post to become larger, rather than smaller. It urged the post office, for example, to get intobanking, getting rid of super mailboxes and allowing letter carriers to check up on the elderly along their routes. Higher postal rates would pay for the expanded service.
Workers seem to be out of touch with a stark reality: Canada Post isn’t a make-work project.
In material distributed Friday, the union is calling on Canada Post to be more like France's postal service, which is combating reduced postal use by starting a new service called, Bonjour facteur! (Good morning, postman!).
Under the program, French letter carriers would do jobs usually carried out by family members, such as checking-in on the elderly and delivering medicines from local pharmacies to people with mobility problems.
WTF?! Next thing you know, the postal union will want to start up hospices, dog walking services or take over pool boy/milkmen duties for MILF's.
To be honest, after meeting the postal carriers in my area, I'm not sure that I'd want them checking up on my parents or delivering their perscription of pain killers after their car accident.
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That article is a nice summary read. So many things boggle my mind from the union:
So CUPW used the dispute to push back. It wanted Canada Post to become larger, rather than smaller. It urged the post office, for example, to get intobanking, getting rid of super mailboxes and allowing letter carriers to check up on the elderly along their routes. Higher postal rates would pay for the expanded service.
Workers seem to be out of touch with a stark reality: Canada Post isn’t a make-work project.
In material distributed Friday, the union is calling on Canada Post to be more like France's postal service, which is combating reduced postal use by starting a new service called, Bonjour facteur! (Good morning, postman!).
Under the program, French letter carriers would do jobs usually carried out by family members, such as checking-in on the elderly and delivering medicines from local pharmacies to people with mobility problems.
WTF?! Next thing you know, the postal union will want to start up hospices, dog walking services or take over pool boy/milkmen duties for MILF's.
Sounds like they're taking hints on how to run their company from Homer Simpson.
Spoiler!
Homer: Oh, the garbage man can, Marge. The garbage man can. Who can take your trash out? Stomp it down for you? Shake the plastic bag And do the twisty thingy, too? The garbage man. Garbage men: Oh, the garbage man can. Homer & garbage men: The garbage man can And he does it with a smile And never judges you. Marge: Who can take this diaper? Garbage man: I don't mind at all. Chief Wiggum: Who can clean me up Before the big Policeman's ball? The garbage maaaaaaaaaaan. Garbage men: Yes the Garbage Man can U2: The sanitation folks Are jolly friendly blokes, Curtious and easy going. They'll mop up when you're overflowing. Bono: And tell you when your arse is showing. Apu: Who can? Sideshow Mel: Who can? Flanders: Who can? Oscar the Grouch: Who can? Everyone: The Garbage Man can Bart and Lisa: 'Cause he's Homer Simpson, man! Everyone: He cleans the world...for...YOU!
