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KootenayFlamesFan · 06-19-2011, 11:12 PM

Even months later I still find myself in shock that AA unloaded Wells' contract. Unreal. Even if Vernon was having a productive year just getting rid of that contract was good enough.

Nice job on the Escobar signing. Solid player for a respectable contract. Good job.

moon · 06-20-2011, 12:17 AM

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How is my comment a cheap shot? Jeter's OPS in the past calender year has been awful, even for a short stop. Right now the Yankees make the playoffs inspite of Jeter. Whereas for his first 14 years he was a big reason they did make it. As I said they have money, they can spend big money on a declining legend. Teams who don't need to let that guy go and find a productive guy to spend the money on. But whatever, keep on keeping on the way you keep on all mighty moon. It's unique I'll give you that.

It was a clear cheap shot towards how the Yankees do business but I understand that this is a blind homer Jays thread and board so pointing out how teams do much better than them is always going to be looked at as wrong.

As always the Jays are free to ignore how successful teams are built and fans are more than welcome to take cheap shots at the Yankees and continue on with the Jays are going to be better in the future as has gone on for the past 5 years.

I anxiously await for the awesome responses on how this time it is different and that the past 5 years of BS I have read on here wesn't the same as the current crap.

KootenayFlamesFan · 06-20-2011, 02:23 AM

I think someone just said that the Escobar signing was pretty solid, especially comparing it to Jeter?

Didn't seem like an anti-Yankee post, as much as it was just comparing two positional players in the same division.

flambers · 06-20-2011, 08:43 AM

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I anxiously await for the awesome responses on how this time it is different and that the past 5 years of BS I have read on here wesn't the same as the current crap.

Oh man, Yankee's only key to succes is too spend..spend..spend.

Good luck if they had to develop home grown talent.

As for Jeter the guy was an amazing talent. However personally I don't view him as a top end Short stop any longer.....

As for the Jays, yep they deserve criticism.... only time will tell if they have truely turned the corner.

I do like the focus on Prospects and prospect development (4th best farm system I believe) and how they have shed all of the terrible contracts (Wells who...).

moon · 06-20-2011, 09:50 AM

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Oh man, Yankee's only key to succes is too spend..spend..spend.

Good luck if they had to develop home grown talent.

Do people really still believe this garbage?

Yep sure sucked developing garbage like Riviera, Williams, Jeter, Pettite, Posada guys who were all key to their wins in the late 90's.

Also sucks how they developed Hughes, Cano, Soriano, Jackson all key guys to building the team of the past number of years.

flambers · 06-20-2011, 10:03 AM

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Do people really still believe this garbage?

Yep sure sucked developing garbage like Riviera, Williams, Jeter, Pettite, Posada guys who were all key to their wins in the late 90's.

Also sucks how they developed Hughes, Cano, Soriano, Jackson all key guys to building the team of the past number of years.

Absolutely if the Yankee's spent like a normal team.... they would be an average club. They have developed a few players but no where enough to be a top end team...

(for example these fellows would go away) A-Rod, Teixera, Burnett, CC Sabathia, Swisher, Ganderson.........

However that is way off topic.

Matty81 · 06-20-2011, 10:30 AM

I've got nothing against Jeter and understand the value to the Yanks fans at having a club legend linger into his less productive years. I'm not really sure why you'd make a point of coming into the Jays thread and crapping on a bunch of fans being happy about a cheaper signing.

Maybe some frustration coming out after the big Pujols injury yesterday.

moon · 06-20-2011, 10:37 AM

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I've got nothing against Jeter and understand the value to the Yanks fans at having a club legend linger into his less productive years. I'm not really sure why you'd make a point of coming into the Jays thread and crapping on a bunch of fans being happy about a cheaper signing.

Maybe some frustration coming out after the big Pujols injury yesterday.

I didn't comment on the signing or crap on fans. I commented that I am sure that the Yankees are just fine with having Jeter at shortstop.

calculoso · 06-20-2011, 12:26 PM

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/M.../18305251.html

"Blue Jays’ GM Alex Anthopoulos reacted angrily this week to a false report that the Blue Jays had come to a secret agreement with first-round choice Tyler Beede before the draft, in contravention of baseball rules. "

Pagal4321 · 06-20-2011, 12:37 PM

Wow this went off topic REAL fast. But it's moon, so I'm not surprised.

I like the Escobar signing, especially since he's outplaying every shortstop in the AL East this year. But I do wonder what that means about his future position, unless Hechiverria is a flop, I would have just assumed SS would be his in a few years.

Caged Great · 06-20-2011, 12:41 PM

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Wow this went off topic REAL fast. But it's moon, so I'm not surprised.

I like the Escobar signing, especially since he's outplaying every shortstop in the AL East this year. But I do wonder what that means about his future position, unless Hechiverria is a flop, I would have just assumed SS would be his in a few years.

It's one of those good problems to have. If he and Hech are both doing really good, you can either move one of them to 2B, or trade one (Escobar likely) and get a great return.

I wish the jays had more of those type of problems.

Sylvanfan · 06-20-2011, 12:42 PM

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Do people really still believe this garbage?

Shot at everyone, nice, classy even.

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Yep sure sucked developing garbage like Riviera, Williams, Jeter, Pettite, Posada guys who were all key to their wins in the late 90's.

You see, that there was a difference. The Yankees home developed a core of players were able to keep them thru all of their productive years and as a result won several World Series and found themselves playing in it every year. That was how they built a dynasty. They also forced Don Mattingly to the bench in favor of a more productive Tino Martinez, let John Wetteland walk to ascend Rivera to the closers role. I'd say that the Yankees should be seeking out a more productive everyday short stop to replace Jeter. Similar to how the Red Sox have put Varitek into a lesser on field role.

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Also sucks how they developed Hughes, Cano, Soriano, Jackson all key guys to building the team of the past number of years

Really out of all those guys Cano is the one they developed and used to win a World series. Soriano they signed as an internation FA, than traded to pick up AROD which was a financially motivated move.

It's not only the Blue Jays, but several other teams who are changing how they operate their teams. They realize that in order to compete against the Yankee's or the Red Sox that they need to develop their own young players, and try to keep these guys around for 8 or so years in hopes of having enough good guys at one time to have a 2-3 year window to compete. Something the Blue Jays simply weren't doing enough of under Ricciardi.

Pagal4321 · 06-20-2011, 12:53 PM

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It's one of those good problems to have. If he and Hech are both doing really good, you can either move one of them to 2B, or trade one (Escobar likely) and get a great return.

I wish the jays had more of those type of problems.

I can see the team having a similar problem with the catcher position soon. There seems to be a a handful of kids at the catcher position playing very well in A, AA and AAA.

CaramonLS · 06-20-2011, 01:56 PM

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Really out of all those guys Cano is the one they developed and used to win a World series. Soriano they signed as an internation FA, than traded to pick up AROD which was a financially motivated move.

It's not only the Blue Jays, but several other teams who are changing how they operate their teams. They realize that in order to compete against the Yankee's or the Red Sox that they need to develop their own young players, and try to keep these guys around for 8 or so years in hopes of having enough good guys at one time to have a 2-3 year window to compete. Something the Blue Jays simply weren't doing enough of under Ricciardi.

The money just adds more bullets in the chamber. The yankees can afford to go out there and add expensive, high priced, Latino FAs and pay overslot in the draft.

It also allows them to KEEP the guys they developed.

Jays have had a lot of talent slip through their fingers, and if they had the payroll of the yankees, this team may have been able to keep some of the guys that they had to make tough decisions with.

Delgado? Gone. Too expensive.
Carpenter? Gone. Couldn't pay him to rehab.
K. Escobar? Gone. $$$.

Wise Gamble · 06-20-2011, 02:15 PM

Like the Jays to get the W vs the Braves. Should be a good game.

Karl · 06-20-2011, 08:04 PM

You know the last 2 games have been bad when a 37 year old career utility player (Miguel Cairo) and then a soon-to-be 36 year old pitcher (Tim Hudson), who had one career home run before he hit one out tonight take you deep.

C'mon Jays, gotta get that offense back in gear!!! Rajai Davis, you really need to start hitting!

Gozer · 06-20-2011, 08:41 PM

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I didn't...crap on fans.

What is this next quote if not you crapping on fans; specifically the handful of fans that post in this thread?

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Originally Posted by moon

I understand that this is a blind homer Jays thread and board so pointing out how teams do much better than them is always going to be looked at as wrong.

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Originally Posted by moon

I anxiously await for the awesome responses on how this time it is different and that the past 5 years of BS I have read on here wesn't the same as the current crap.

moon · 06-20-2011, 08:48 PM

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What is this next quote if not you crapping on fans; specifically the handful of fans that post in this thread?

That's being honest about what this thread and others before it have been about.

I am not saying you are bad fans for doing it, but that is what Blue Jay threads have been made up of for the most part on CP.

Gozer · 06-20-2011, 08:55 PM

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That's being honest about what this thread and others before it have been about.

When I go into the Cardinal board and call you on the carpet for being happy with a move while comparing the situation to division rivals then you can be defensive about it too.

Drop the martyr act about your burden of shedding light on us ignorant Jays fans.

Wise Gamble · 06-20-2011, 10:00 PM

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That's being honest about what this thread and others before it have been about.

I am not saying you are bad fans for doing it, but that is what Blue Jay threads have been made up of for the most part on CP.

Well at least the Cards and Jays have something in common....they're going nowhere.