Canada Post Strike

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

One of the Union demands is actually to prevent CP from installing modern mail sorting technology and equipment. Guess what? Those machines are there to make the job less physically demanding and safer for workers...not to mention making everything run smoother and faster.

Yes, this is 2011 and there are people protesting against machines taking away their jobs. What's next? They throw their shoes into the mail sorter?

Four-hundred years ago, on the planet Earth, workers who felt their livelihood threatened by automation, flung their wooden shoes, called sabo, into the machines to stop them . . . hence the word: sabotage.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Dion

Reality will set in pretty quickly and many members will be questioning the union leadership as bills start to mount.

I seriously doubt that will happen. Who is going to deliver the bills?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I seriously doubt that will happen. Who is going to deliver the bills?

CP has already delved into the electronic world via epost. I get my Enmax bill via internet, and I am paperless with my bank save for my business account, which I cannot go paperless with (F***).

The union is biting the hand that feeds.

[ken0042]

I guess it's too late in the evening for my dry sense of humour.

Just be glad the people at the Royal Canadian Mint are no longer on strike; or else you'd hear me talking about how the workers there want to make less money.

[4X4]

You spelled 'too' wrong. Victory is mine.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Dion

All wages lost during a strike are never recovered. In the long run this strike is really going to hurt the workers. Business owners will find other ways to get mail and parcels delivered. Once they've done that the chances are very few will return to CP when the strike is over.

Don't fall the crap your union has been spewing.

But I should fall for the crap you are spewing? No thanks, I will make up my own mind on the issue.

[Resolute 14]

Well, that would explain the small little group of picketers on a random stretch of MacLeod this morning.

Both the union and Canada Post suck. They deserve each other.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Dion

All wages lost during a strike are never recovered. In the long run this strike is really going to hurt the workers. Business owners will find other ways to get mail and parcels delivered. Once they've done that the chances are very few will return to CP when the strike is over.

Don't fall the crap your union has been spewing.

Aren't a lot of the raises retro-active though? Seems like the money is recovered in that sense?

[Bob]

I guess it's time for me to switch to paperless billing. If not for bills, I would get 99% junk mail ...

[darklord700]

Canada Post suspends urban mail operations nationwide, blames union:

http://home.mytelus.com/telusen/port...CatID=National

Now the other shoe has dropped. Who will win at the end? CP or the Union?

[Hockeyguy15]

I find it hard to believe that CP has lost $100 million in the 12 days since the rotating strikes began.

I'm pissed, I am waiting for $750 in claims from Sunlife that I mailed on Monday and now how long do I have to wait for my money back?

Thanks a lot CP, way to screw over your customers because you don't want to negotiate with the Union while they are doing rotating strikes. At least with rotating strikes the mail was still moving.

[ken0042]

I don't know- I know I personally have stopped using the mail since the rotating strikes started. How many others like me have moved to online billing, etc? How many have found that they can use other courier companies? With the rotating strikes there was no need to force the issue. Now CP has forced the issue.

I agree $100M sounds high; but that is likely in "sales" and not profit.

[Resolute 14]

Meh, CP made the right decision. The union wanted to hurt CP financially without risking too much of its member's incomes. Not exactly a tactic indicative of good-faith bargaining on the union side. If they want off the job, then go off the job. CP forced them into it.

And, its your own damn fault for still doing things like that via paper and cheque. EFT FTW

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Meh, CP made the right decision. The union wanted to hurt CP financially without risking too much of its member's incomes. Not exactly a tactic indicative of good-faith bargaining on the union side. If they want off the job, then go off the job. CP forced them into it.

As a customer, I don't mind the rotating strike. You still get the mail, just a couple days later.

CP would probably be risking too much by allowing a pro-long rotating strike. People will turn elsewhere for courier or flyer delivery so they took the drastic measure of locking out the workers.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Slava

Aren't a lot of the raises retro-active though? Seems like the money is recovered in that sense?

Raises should be retroactive to the start of the new contract. However that doesn't recover lost wages. If you're on strike you're not getting paid. So they make 3% (or whatever) extra, but lose %100 of their pay while on strike. Union management 101: you dont strike for only wage increases. Ever.

Saw in the news today that this is the 6 strike in 36 years. A strike every other contract year? Insane.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Raises should be retroactive to the start of the new contract. However that doesn't recover lost wages. If you're on strike you're not getting paid. So they make 3% (or whatever) extra, but lose %100 of their pay while on strike. Union management 101: you dont strike for only wage increases. Ever.

Assuming a CUPW makes $50K a year. 3% increase is $1,500 a year. At 25/hr, this worker will lose $200 a day so he can go on strike for roughly 7 1/2 day before breaking even in one year.

If the contract is for 3 years, this worker can afford to strike for 22 1/2 day before losing out.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I find it hard to believe that CP has lost $100 million in the 12 days since the rotating strikes began.

I'm pissed, I am waiting for $750 in claims from Sunlife that I mailed on Monday and now how long do I have to wait for my money back?

Thanks a lot CP, way to screw over your customers because you don't want to negotiate with the Union while they are doing rotating strikes. At least with rotating strikes the mail was still moving.

yep, all mgmt fault.

BTW I heard you can sign up for direct deposit with sunlife,

yours truly,

the 21st century.


In all seriousness, people with relatively low skilled labor jobs are in for a tough few decades. All these jobs are going to be replaced either by machines or $12/hr labour.

It's not nice, but its a very simple and obvious reality as government hack away at deficits. We absolutely don't need CanadaPost, at least in urban areas, whatever service they can provide can be easily replaced by the private sector and most to all of it's function can move to online.

As an aside the rolling strikes are absolutely crippling for canada post because they still have all their expenses, but with the lack of trust in the system, alot of revenue goes away.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Meh, CP made the right decision. The union wanted to hurt CP financially without risking too much of its member's incomes. Not exactly a tactic indicative of good-faith bargaining on the union side. If they want off the job, then go off the job. CP forced them into it.

And, its your own damn fault for still doing things like that via paper and cheque. EFT FTW

Not really, these specific claims are not allowed to be handled online accourding to Sunlife. All my other claims are done online and by EFT, so I would gladly do these online if it was allowed.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

yep, all mgmt fault.

BTW I heard you can sign up for direct deposit with sunlife,

yours truly,

the 21st century.


In all seriousness, people with relatively low skilled labor jobs are in for a tough few decades. All these jobs are going to be replaced either by machines or $12/hr labour.

It's not nice, but its a very simple and obvious reality as government hack away at deficits. We absolutely don't need CanadaPost, at least in urban areas, whatever service they can provide can be easily replaced by the private sector and most to all of it's function can move to online.

As an aside the rolling strikes are absolutely crippling for canada post because they still have all their expenses, but with the lack of trust in the system, alot of revenue goes away.

Aren't you just full of class. I am signed up for EFT and do all my other claims online, these are not allowed to be done online as per Sunlife.

Stick to you day job, leave jokes to comedians.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

It's not nice, but its a very simple and obvious reality as government hack away at deficits. We absolutely don't need CanadaPost, at least in urban areas, whatever service they can provide can be easily replaced by the private sector and most to all of it's function can move to online.

I think we still need postal services of some kind. There'll always be things that needs to be mailed albeit in lower volume in the future. The reality is that letter mail cost will likely go up one way or the other because of declining volume.

Consider we are the largest country of the world, it is cheaper for me to drop a CD in the mail than to take it half way across town.