2011 Blue Jays Season Thread

[Fire]

That's a lot of players. What percentage does a team usually get signed to contracts?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Fire

That's a lot of players. What percentage does a team usually get signed to contracts?

Usually of the top 20 rounds, you'll likely sign 80+%. However, it has happened in the past where they've signed every player they drafted (I think the Rios draft was the last time that happened)

High School players taken after the 15th round usually won't sign, and I know there's a couple in there. College players usually sign because they don't really have anywhere to go after.

I'd look for about 60% of the list to eventually get signed. The big ones are pretty much all the guys taken in the top 10 rounds.

AA added an additional rookie ball team this offseason (we now have 3), so it might be possible that even more guys get signed than that.

[Frequitude]

How the heck do you draft someone in the 50th round. Do teams actually know about all these kids?

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

How the heck do you draft someone in the 50th round. Do teams actually know about all these kids?

Shane Farrell - 46th round
Jacob Wakamatsu - 48th round

Lots of stuff like that happens in the last few rounds. Also, there tends to be lots of Canadians who go late as teams have limited scouting resources in Canada and the players are generally pretty raw.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

Shane Farrell - 46th round
Jacob Wakamatsu - 48th round

Lots of stuff like that happens in the last few rounds. Also, there tends to be lots of Canadians who go late as teams have limited scouting resources in Canada and the players are generally pretty raw.

this is true, lots of canadians typically picked between 45-50.

[Frequitude]

But how do they even know those guys exist?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

But how do they even know those guys exist?

There's a lot more area scouts employed by an MLB team than an NHL team.

Stat databases I'm sure play a huge role. Teams try and find an anomaly during the year in the data and then send a scout out accordingly to get a firsthand view of his technique/mechanics.

There are third party scouting services out there too (much like the NHL) that are often guys who scout a small radius so they can see a lot more low quality games where hidden gems could be hiding.

Also, in small states (and Canada) there are generally elite level leagues where almost all the best players are playing. In a big state like Florida guys will just be spread out among the high schools, but in Montana or B.C. there's a super-league sort of thing where anyone with a shred of talent ends up playing.

[Cheese]

the other issue with the Baseball draft is unlike any other league, teams cannot swap any of these picks to other teams. You can only add the supplemental picks. It would be much more interesting if swaps could occur.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Cheese

the other issue with the Baseball draft is unlike any other teams cannot swap any of these picks to other teams. You can only add the supplemental picks. It would be much more interesting if swaps could occur.

The other aspect, is certain high profile players are not drafted as the Clubs can not afford to sign the player. Seems to be unique to Baseball

For example the Jays have a rumoured $20 million dollar budget for this draft. Other teams have no where near that amount.

Therefore AA drafted many high end / expensive players.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by flambers

The other aspect, is certain high profile players are not drafted as the Clubs can not afford to sign the player. Seems to be unique to Baseball

For example the Jays have a rumoured $20 million dollar budget for this draft. Other teams have no where near that amount.

Therefore AA drafted many high end / expensive players.

yup and...Euros, Japanese and other overseas players cannot be selected in this draft. They are bought, meaning rich teams like the Yanks and Red Sox usually get the best of them. In order for baseball to move into the 18th century these things need to change. A draft should be worldwide like Hockey or Football. It actually surprises me that they allow Canadians to be drafted.

[Caged Great]

Joe Musgrove signed for 500K, 250 000 less than slot. Surprising considering he's a high school pitcher. Usually they go for more than slot.

Jorge Vega Rosado signed for 200K.
Justin Atkinson signed for 100K.

Here's a list of updated signings, with remainders.

Pitcher

Tyler Beede - 1st round
Kevin Comer - 1st Supplemental round
Daniel Norris - 2nd round
Jeremy Gabryszwski - 2nd round
John Stilson - 3rd round
Thomas Robson - 4th round
Anthony Chin - 5th round
Anthony DeSclafani - 6th round
Mark Biggs - 8th round
Andrew Suarez - 9th round
Aaron Garza - 10th round
Nicolas Wiper - 14th round
Cody Glen - 15th round
Brady Dragmire - 17th round
Luke Weaver - 19th round
Joel Seddon - 20th round
Aaron Nola - 22nd round
David Rollins - 24th round
Cole Taylor - 29th round
Kramer Champlin - 33rd round
Jerrick Suiter - 35th round
Andrew Sikula - 36th round
Leslie Williams - 37th round
Chris Cox - 39th round
Shane Davis - 42nd round
Jake Eliopoulos - 43rd round
Colby Broussard - 44th round
Shane Farrel - 46th round
Charlie Lamar - 49th round
Eric Brown - 50th round

C

Luis Munoz - 34th round

1B

Richard Prigatano - 16th round
Eric Arce - 25th round
Kevin Patterson - 30th round
John Coy - 45th round

2B

Jonathan Berti - 18th round

SS

Christian Lopes - 7th round
Andrew Burns - 11th round
Peter Mooney - 21st round
K'Shawn Smith - 23rd round
Justin Atkinson - 26th round signed
Jorge Vega-Rosado - 28th round Signed
Austin Nola - 31st round
Cody Barrett - 41st round

3B

Matt Dean - 13th round
Austin Davis - 47th round

Outfielders

Jacob Andersen - 1st Supplemental round
Dwight Smith - 1st Supplemental round
John Norwood - 12th round
Derrick Lovelace - 27th round
Kevin Pillar - 32nd round
Nico Taylor - 38th round - signed
Nick Baligod - 40th round
Jacob Wakamatsu - 48th round

Signed - Musgrove, Taylor, Atkinson, Vega-Rosado

[Sylvanfan]

Well after trading away arms like Hallady and Marcum in the past two years, you can see now that the Jays are going to struggle to finish out this year with their rotation. Romero is the only guy with a shred of consistancy. Morrow will probably finish the year with the team, but he's very AJ Burnett like where he has stuff, but lacks it upstairs to put it together. You can tell when he faces teams like the Red Sox and Yanks, who slap him around.

Hence why the team stocks up on arms at the draft. You can never have enough pitching, especially in their Division. When the Jays do decide to throw the chips in and go for it, I think trying to acquire another bonafide starter will be a priority.

[koop]

Mike McCoy was pitching?? I wouldn't have turned the game off if I knew that was coming.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by koop

Mike McCoy was pitching?? I wouldn't have turned the game off if I knew that was coming.

Looks like McCoy might get another chance to pitch today. BoSox look like they might top the 16 runs they racked up yesterday.

Talk about torturing your opponents pitching in a series. You know it's bad when the only pitcher who didn't absolutely embarass your team was Jo Jo Reyes.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Looks like McCoy might get another chance to pitch today. BoSox look like they might top the 16 runs they racked up yesterday.

Talk about torturing your opponents pitching in a series. You know it's bad when the only pitcher who didn't absolutely embarass your team was Jo Jo Reyes.

Complete Meltdown.

-well other than number 19

[Gozer]

Jay's prospect update:

http://thesouthpawbaseball.blogspot....rm-report.html

[puckluck]

14-1 Boston, but at least Bautista finally snapped his home run slump.

[Caged Great]

The Jays have apparently worked out a dollar figure with their first pick Tyler Beede in the 3 million dollar range.

Additionally, they have signed 40th round pick Nick Balligod, 42nd rounder Shane Davis, and 50th round pick Eric Brown.

In other news, 20th round pick Joel Seddon has apparently turned down a 1 million dollar offer, 800K more than slot. Why? Who knows.

Pitcher

Tyler Beede - 1st round - Signed
Kevin Comer - 1st Supplemental round
Daniel Norris - 2nd round
Jeremy Gabryszwski - 2nd round
John Stilson - 3rd round
Thomas Robson - 4th round
Anthony Chin - 5th round
Anthony DeSclafani - 6th round
Mark Biggs - 8th round
Andrew Suarez - 9th round
Aaron Garza - 10th round
Nicolas Wiper - 14th round
Cody Glen - 15th round
Brady Dragmire - 17th round
Luke Weaver - 19th round
Joel Seddon - 20th round
Aaron Nola - 22nd round
David Rollins - 24th round
Cole Taylor - 29th round
Kramer Champlin - 33rd round
Jerrick Suiter - 35th round
Andrew Sikula - 36th round
Leslie Williams - 37th round
Chris Cox - 39th round
Shane Davis - 42nd round - Signed
Jake Eliopoulos - 43rd round
Colby Broussard - 44th round
Shane Farrel - 46th round
Charlie Lamar - 49th round
Eric Brown - 50th round - Signed

C

Luis Munoz - 34th round

1B

Richard Prigatano - 16th round
Eric Arce - 25th round
Kevin Patterson - 30th round
John Coy - 45th round

2B

Jonathan Berti - 18th round

SS

Christian Lopes - 7th round
Andrew Burns - 11th round
Peter Mooney - 21st round
K'Shawn Smith - 23rd round
Austin Nola - 31st round
Cody Barrett - 41st round

3B

Matt Dean - 13th round
Austin Davis - 47th round

Outfielders

Jacob Andersen - 1st Supplemental round
Dwight Smith - 1st Supplemental round
John Norwood - 12th round
Derrick Lovelace - 27th round
Kevin Pillar - 32nd round
Nick Baligod - 40th round - Signed
Jacob Wakamatsu - 48th round

Signed

Beede (RHP - 1st round), Musgrove (RHP - 1st round), Atkinson (SS - 26th round), Vega-Rosado (SS - 28th round), Taylor (RF - 38th round),
Baligod (OF - 40th round), Davis (LHP - 42nd round) , Brown (RHP - 50th round)

[Frequitude]

Thanks Caged Great. A suggestion though. Can you leave the signed players in their original grouping and just identify them with bold/italics/"signed" like you do on first signing.

Not knowing anything about these prospects or their positions, it'd be nice to always see the big picture.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Thanks Caged Great. A suggestion though. Can you leave the signed players in their original grouping and just identify them with bold/italics/"signed" like you do on first signing.

Not knowing anything about these prospects or their positions, it'd be nice to always see the big picture.

I edited my last post, does that help any?