2011 Canadian Election Thread

[SeoulFire]

I know that is not how it works - our media is #### and it rewards idiots.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

I know that is not how it works - our media is #### and it rewards idiots.

She did not break any law, she was merely fired. Apparently there's no non-disclosure clause because other current and former pages are commenting in public.

At 21 years of age, she's old enough to sling a rifle across her shoulders, go overseas and get her head blown off. She should certainly be allowed to talk to the media.

Part of this whole democracy thing that you apparently find so distasteful is the rights of those with whom you don't agree with to have their 15 minutes.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

She did not break any law, she was merely fired. Apparently there's no non-disclosure clause because other current and former pages are commenting in public.

At 21 years of age, she's old enough to sling a rifle across her shoulders, go overseas and get her head blown off. She should certainly be allowed to talk to the media.

Part of this whole democracy thing that you apparently find so distasteful is the rights of those with whom you don't agree with to have their 15 minutes.

Congratulations - you completely destroyed an argument I never made.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Congratulations - you completely destroyed an argument I never made.

You had no credible argument to begin with.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

You had no credible argument to begin with.

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

I don't think anybody is suggesting that the incident be suppressed - report the incident by all means. However, giving a stupid kid a forum to spout off soundbytes is hardly necessary. If the 'reporters' actually asked questions with substance I would bet that the kid would not be able to back up her message with anything other than superficial factoids.

Leading to reporters actually asking meaningful questions:

So give the specifics - Dumbass student (replace with name) interrupted a session today blah blah. When questioned about her motives he/she was unable to provide any blah blah. End story.

But that can't happen because our media is of low quality

I know that is not how it works - our media is #### and it rewards idiots.

Which of course leads to the incredibly logical and obvious conclusion of:

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

She did not break any law, she was merely fired. Apparently there's no non-disclosure clause because other current and former pages are commenting in public.

At 21 years of age, she's old enough to sling a rifle across her shoulders, go overseas and get her head blown off. She should certainly be allowed to talk to the media.

Part of this whole democracy thing that you apparently find so distasteful is the rights of those with whom you don't agree with to have their 15 minutes.

Wanting reporters to separate news from fluff = democracy hater.

Gotcha.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Leading to reporters actually asking meaningful questions:

Since when is asking "why" and "who are you" meaningless questions? You and others want DePape arbitrarily muzzled.

But that can't happen because our media is of low quality

LOL, okay.

You realize Senators were tweeting the incident too? Twitter is media.

Which of course leads to the incredibly logical and obvious conclusion of:
Wanting reporters to separate news from fluff = democracy hater.

Gotcha.

Actually, it was news. It was something outside of what normally transpires in the Canadian Senate. If Stephen Harper stood behind the Governor General waving pom-poms during the Throne Speech, that would be news too.

It was some political theatre by a non-elected person in a venue full of non-elected people. It was unusual, and it was news.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Since when is asking "why" and "who are you" meaningless questions? You and others want DePape arbitrarily muzzled.

stuff

I am not really sure why this is such a difficult concept for you - by asking questions with depth there are two outcomes:

1 - She can answer and comes off looking like a star
2 - She can't answer and the whole incident fades to black

This is in fact quite opposite of wanting somebody "arbitrarily muzzled" - it is a request for more information. Either she can provide or she can't. Our media, unfortunately is quite content with fluff.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

I am not really sure why this is such a difficult concept for you - by asking questions with depth there are two outcomes:

1 - She can answer and comes off looking like a star
2 - She can't answer and the whole incident fades to black

This is in fact quite opposite of wanting somebody "arbitrarily muzzled" - it is a request for more information. Either she can provide or she can't. Our media, unfortunately is quite content with fluff.

NONSENSE.

The big, bad ol' "Media" is hardly the behemoth hegemony you imagine. We live in a Wikileaks time of vast, unfettered access to facts and opinions of every various stripe and measure of quality.

Anyone with a Twitter, Facebook or Blogspot account is "media."

DePape in fact has largely (and deservedly) raked over the coals by the pundits, all the while accomodating all manner of interview requests. She has also recieved various job offers from advocacy groups and a world-famous director. Seems like she's managing the fall-out just fine.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

NONSENSE.

The big, bad ol' "Media" is hardly the behemoth hegemony you imagine. We live in a Wikileaks time of vast, unfettered access to facts and opinions of every various stripe and measure of quality.

Anyone with a Twitter, Facebook or Blogspot account is "media."

Fine - I will qualify "media" just for you next time...

DePape in fact has largely (and deservedly) raked over the coals by the pundits, all the while accomidating all manner of interview quests. She has also recieved various job offered from advocacy groups and a world-famous director. Seems like she's managing the fall-out just fine.

Perhaps this is just how we choose to frame the incident but I see

DePape in fact has largely (and deservedly) raked over the coals by the pundits

leading to

She has also recieved various job offered from advocacy groups and a world-famous director.

as a good example of

our media is #### and it rewards idiots.

By the way, I never once stated a concern for her ability to "manage the fall-out".

[mykalberta]

A green party horseface got her time in the sun, what is the big deal. That is what people who cannot debate/win an issue do - they preform stunts. They throw pies, attach themselves to trees, grafitti rail cars and overpasses etc etc etc.

Michael Moore supports it, thats all you need to know about this incident.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

A green party horseface got her time in the sun, what is the big deal. That is what people who cannot debate/win an issue do - they preform stunts. They throw pies, attach themselves to trees, grafitti rail cars and overpasses etc etc etc.

Michael Moore supports it, thats all you need to know about this incident.

Yeah, she should just do what everyone else does on Parliament Hill to get attention and hire a $30,000/month lobbyist.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Fine - I will qualify "media" just for you next time...

Since the incident was a Trending Topic on Twitter all weekend, I'd say the coverage was warranted. Curious bunch, those Canadians.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm not Harper supporter, but the whole message she was sending of "stopping" Harper just weeks after he was democratically elected (to a majority at that), is just plain stupid and insulting. Your side lost, now time move on. At least let the guy do something before you say that you want him stopped. Stopping someone before they eff up is not in the democratic spirit.

Having said that, I don't think they should have fired this girl unless she pulled it again. By allowing her to sacrifice something, it gives the action more magnitude. If they let her come back to work the next day like nothing happened, she would have looked (and probably felt) like an idiot.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Having said that, I don't think they should have fired this girl unless she pulled it again. By allowing her to sacrifice something, it gives the action more magnitude. If they let her come back to work the next day like nothing happened, she would have looked (and probably felt) like an idiot.

Oh no, she definitely deserved to be fired. I in no way support her actions.

I'm just having a big laugh at the expense of those who think the incident should not have been reported or that DePape shouldn't be interviewed.

[MelBridgeman]

Well if she plans to personally gain of this stunt - i think that should tell you a lot about her TRUE motives

anyways they should of released the hounds

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Oh no, she definitely deserved to be fired. I in no way support her actions.

I'm just having a big laugh at the expense of those who think the incident should not have been reported or that DePape shouldn't be interviewed.

Or you just make stuff up and laugh at that too.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Or you just make stuff up and laugh at that too.

I am curious what his reaction would have been if she was protesting something else... oh, say gay marriage - I am sure Reggie would have been benevolently chuckling...

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I am curious what his reaction would have been if she was protesting something else... oh, say gay marriage - I am sure Reggie would have been benevolently chuckling...

Actually that sounds like something Stephen Harper would do..... oh wait, he did do that already.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I am curious what his reaction would have been if she was protesting something else... oh, say gay marriage - I am sure Reggie would have been benevolently chuckling...

He's got you there reg. No use in trying to deflect it.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Ark2

He's got you there reg. No use in trying to deflect it.

No, I would still laugh at those who blame the media for reporting the news.

You do realize Stephen Harper led a large (and widely reported at the time) anti-gay marriage rally on Parliament Hill?