[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick - Page 48 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

afc wimbledon · 06-04-2011, 10:34 PM

I think the problem for Feaster is while I don't doubt the Rangers were aware of what was going to happen it was probobly orchestrated by the kids agent and the father, my guess is they had little to do with the plan just were told he wasn't going to sign and they should make an offer, still shady but nothing the league is going to punish them for.

Flame On · 06-04-2011, 10:40 PM

I really would like the org to treat this the way Feaster says the team's identity is going to be getting back to. Hard to play against.

Badgers Nose · 06-04-2011, 11:22 PM

If Tim went into the draft again and the Rangers were to trade, would it have cost them more than 2x 2nd round picks and Horak? If so, and they can prove tampering, then the Flames should get more.

With Horak's last year, I think his ranking improved - no?

Badgers Nose · 06-04-2011, 11:24 PM

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I really would like the org to treat this the way Feaster says the team's identity is going to be getting back to. Hard to play against.

Yeah, good point. If this were to happen to Burke he would be a lot more truculent about it.

Look at how he reacted to his RFA issues with Kesler and then Penner.

Roof-Daddy · 06-05-2011, 07:43 AM

I would love it if the Flames could somehow prove tampering by the Rangers.

What kind of compensation would we be looking at if they could? Their first rounder (15th overall) just given to us?

Ah well, nothing will come of this, I'm sure.

FlamesAddiction · 06-05-2011, 08:07 AM

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I would love it if the Flames could somehow prove tampering by the Rangers.

What kind of compensation would we be looking at if they could? Their first rounder (15th overall) just given to us?

Ah well, nothing will come of this, I'm sure.

I think the punishment can range from a fine to having to give up draft picks.

I'm curious to know what the burden of proof is for this kind of thing. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, but do we need something concrete like proof of a meeting, email or phone conversation?

I doubt that the NHL wants to deal with this in the middle of the finals though.

Bluzman · 06-05-2011, 08:17 AM

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You know, I know, the Flames brass knows it was tampering but I think proving it is another matter. I look at it as the Smirkers, welcome to the big leagues Jay. Kind of like Clark's signing of Kesler to an offer sheet welcomed Nonis when he was up against the cap. Feaster got played, not that he had any control over the circumstances but I wonder if Darryl would have suffered the same fate. Not that I want Darryl back.

Darryl would have made sure he got a 35 yr old Western Canadian back in the deal.

MrMastodonFarm · 06-05-2011, 08:21 AM

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I think the punishment can range from a fine to having to give up draft picks.

I'm curious to know what the burden of proof is for this kind of thing. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, but do we need something concrete like proof of a meeting, email or phone conversation?

I doubt that the NHL wants to deal with this in the middle of the finals though.

I really don't care the time frame, and a thing like this wouldn't get solved overnight so no time like the present to investigate. If they start in the summer, that's okay too. There isn't some deadline to get a decision or anything.

Honestly, I doubt anything would come of it, but like Ricky BobbyN the Flames need to get their balls back, and not going out with a whimper on this issue is important to me. We've been kicked around far too often the last couple of seasons, and it has to end if we are going to be a respectable team again.

Hockey_Ninja · 06-05-2011, 08:30 AM

Hope we can pry a first rounder from the Rangers. Just a brutal all-around situation

edslunch · 06-05-2011, 08:36 AM

If the Flames go after the Rangers for tampering I'm guessing it would be done behind closed doors in the league offices. If it was happening we wouldn't know about it.

FlamesAddiction · 06-05-2011, 08:40 AM

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If the Flames go after the Rangers for tampering I'm guessing it would be done behind closed doors in the league offices. If it was happening we wouldn't know about it.

I think it would get leaked to the media in they were investigating. I think it would also look kind of bad if we did file a compliant and the NHL disagreed.

As fotze mentioned, the Flames have been involved in stuff like this before (with Brent Sutter - I am not sure about Bouwmeester). Sometimes it's better to just take it on the chin. Although in the case of Brent Sutter, I doubt that New Jersey really cared that much.

DazzlinDino · 06-05-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think the problem for Feaster is while I don't doubt the Rangers were aware of what was going to happen it was probobly orchestrated by the kids agent and the father, my guess is they had little to do with the plan just were told he wasn't going to sign and they should make an offer, still shady but nothing the league is going to punish them for.

Flames would be better off crying foul and suggesting tampering. Doing nothing makes them look weak and unprepared. Especially it gives the impression other teams can walk on us.

MrMastodonFarm · 06-05-2011, 08:49 AM

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I think it would get leaked to the media in they were investigating. I think it would also look kind of bad if we did file a compliant and the NHL disagreed.

As fotze mentioned, the Flames have been involved in stuff like this before (with Brent Sutter - I am not sure about Bouwmeester). Sometimes it's better to just take it on the chin. Although in the case of Brent Sutter, I doubt that New Jersey really cared that much.

What are you talking about?

In Brent's last season in New Jersey they were division winners and made it to the 2nd round. He was a good coach for them. But yah, something was fishy there too, no doubt.

Doesn't change the fact the Flames should attempt to do something here.

VladtheImpaler · 06-05-2011, 08:55 AM

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What are you talking about?

In Brent's last season in New Jersey they were division winners and made it to the 2nd round. He was a good coach for them. But yah, something was fishy there too, no doubt.

Doesn't change the fact the Flames should attempt to do something here.

Disagree with the bolded part...

Lunatik · 06-05-2011, 08:56 AM

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Maybe because Calgary 'tampered' to get Bouwmeester and Brent Sutter.

I can see the allegations with Brent, but Bouwmeester? they traded for a pending UFA and took days to sign him to a contract

MrMastodonFarm · 06-05-2011, 08:59 AM

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Disagree with the bolded part...

Didn't they?

Just going off memory, so must me wrong. Regardless, there was a big uproar when he left the Devils and came to the Flames. He was marginilized after he left, but that tends to happen in hockey fan circles.

Lunatik · 06-05-2011, 09:02 AM

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Didn't they?

Just going off memory, so must me wrong. Regardless, there was a big uproar when he left the Devils and came to the Flames. He was marginilized after he left, but that tends to happen in hockey fan circles.

no it was game 7 of round 1 when the Hurricanes scored 2 goals in the last couple minutes to come from behind and eliminate the Devils

in fact that game alone led to a large portion of Devils fans calling for Sutter's head

Lunatik · 06-05-2011, 09:06 AM

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I just don't believe they would have made that trade without a talk or two beforehand. Just a guess though.

no i think they would have, he was the #1 guy going into free agency and with rumors that he wanted to play in western canada they were going in with a 33% chance... plus they used a pick they had acquired to move down in the draft, so it wasn't even a big deal to lose that pick in Sutter's mind

plus there is a huge difference between Erixon signing in less than 3 hours and Bouwmeester agreeing to a contract 3 days after being acquired.

DazzlinDino · 06-05-2011, 09:14 AM

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I just don't believe they would have made that trade without a talk or two beforehand. Just a guess though.

Just like the NYR wouldn't have traded for Erixon without knowing he would sign there in the 3 hours they had.

I don't think the Flames were tampering with Bouwmeester for one thing I doubt they talked to his dad "who doesn't have any ties with the Flames" Flames likely discussed Bouwmeester interest in Calgary with the Florida Panthers beforehand.

Erixon's dad has had ties with NY Rangers which lends credibility to the posibility he may have been involved.

Vulcan · 06-05-2011, 10:08 AM

In Bouwmeester's case, where you know the player isn't coming back, I believe teams give agents the okay to talk to other teams that the player is interested in. Once Bouwmeester says, yeah I'd be interested in signing with Calgary and or teams x, y, z; Calgary and or the other teams make an offer. Calgary gave a third and the rights to Leopold and probably this would also get the rights to Richards. Just my ramblings which could be all wrong.