What I find most incredible about this thread is how people are willing to paint all cops with the same brush based on these isolated incidences.
I realize that you guys have an agenda and are trying to support the theory that police abuse is far more prevalent then most are aware.
You do realize there are thousands of arrests daily in the US and Canada. And probably millions of police interactions as well. To select a few random videos and stories to try and support your agenda while ignoring those positive interactions is ignorant and undermines your anti-police agenda.
With the exception of the military, it is the only job in the world that one can be hunted and murdered simply because of the uniform worn.
Do cops screw up? Yep. Do they make poor decisions? Yep. Do they commit criminal acts intentionally or unintentionally? Yep. But the vast majority of time, despite everything and everyone working against them, they do a pretty damn good job.
Agreed. Cops have annoyed the snot out of me on minor occasions, but to take an extreme case of bad judgment and excessive force and label it "typical cop BS" is way over the top.
Agreed. Cops have annoyed the snot out of me on minor occasions, but to take an extreme case of bad judgment and excessive force and label it "typical cop BS" is way over the top.
It's also just as way over the top to claim that incidents like these are insignificant or that they shouldn't be brought to public attention.
Only constant public scrutiny upholds the integrity of those with power. It has always been so, and it will always be so.
For example, making noise about cops accidentally shooting innocents needs to be done, because "shoot first ask later" is easy and safe for those with guns, and tempting in moments of chaos and stress. There needs to be a counterbalance.
Also, what happened at the Jefferson memorial is not as important as the question what happens next? Was what the cops did legal? Should it be legal? If so, on what grounds? Was that not a clear violation of people's most basic freedoms?
Yes, people should have a right to annoy people of power, like cops, because the only opposite option is that "annoying a person of power" becomes a crime, and that is a truly dangerous concept for basic rights like liberty and justice.
If people don't constantly take care of their rights, they start to erode, and more people will be abused by people of power over things that truly matter.
Power will always be abused, but that does not mean those abuses should ever be tolerated, even when trivial.
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It's also just as way over the top to claim that incidents like these are insignificant or that they shouldn't be brought to public attention.
Only constant public scrutiny upholds the integrity of those with power. It has always been so, and it will always be so.
For example, making noise about cops accidentally shooting innocents needs to be done, because "shoot first ask later" is easy and safe for those with guns, and tempting in moments of chaos and stress. There needs to be a counterbalance.
Also, what happened at the Jefferson memorial is not as important as the question what happens next? Was what the cops did legal? Should it be legal? If so, on what grounds? Was that not a clear violation of people's most basic freedoms?
Yes, people should have a right to annoy people of power, like cops, because the only opposite option is that "annoying a person of power" becomes a crime, and that is a truly dangerous concept for basic rights like liberty and justice.
If people don't constantly take care of their rights, they start to erode, and more people will be abused by people of power over things that truly matter.
Power will always be abused, but that does not mean those abuses should ever be tolerated, even when trivial.
Not sure why you quoted me when your point has nothing to do with mine.
What I find most incredible about this thread is how people are willing to paint all cops with the same brush based on these isolated incidences.
I realize that you guys have an agenda and are trying to support the theory that police abuse is far more prevalent then most are aware.
You do realize there are thousands of arrests daily in the US and Canada. And probably millions of police interactions as well. To select a few random videos and stories to try and support your agenda while ignoring those positive interactions is ignorant and undermines your anti-police agenda.
With the exception of the military, it is the only job in the world that one can be hunted and murdered simply because of the uniform worn.
Do cops screw up? Yep. Do they make poor decisions? Yep. Do they commit criminal acts intentionally or unintentionally? Yep. But the vast majority of time, despite everything and everyone working against them, they do a pretty damn good job.
Nobody is "painting all cops with the same brush" here.......this is a police brutality thread, so we're just staying on topic....you don't have to participate if you can't handle it for whatever reason.
Anyone with reasonable common sense knows that these incidents are occasional....and hopefully they do not become rampant, but they should not be ignored either.
There is no evil anti-police agenda here you crazy conspiracy theorist....
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I know it's technically a Police hatefest thread; but I don't want to start a separate thread about how evil teachers are.
Here's a story about a teacher who had an orgy with five students - I can't believe teachers are still doing this kind of thing. Are you kids being taught by these monsters? Home schooling FTW!
What I find most incredible about this thread is how people are willing to paint all cops with the same brush based on these isolated incidences.
I realize that you guys have an agenda and are trying to support the theory that police abuse is far more prevalent then most are aware.
You do realize there are thousands of arrests daily in the US and Canada. And probably millions of police interactions as well. To select a few random videos and stories to try and support your agenda while ignoring those positive interactions is ignorant and undermines your anti-police agenda.
With the exception of the military, it is the only job in the world that one can be hunted and murdered simply because of the uniform worn.
Do cops screw up? Yep. Do they make poor decisions? Yep. Do they commit criminal acts intentionally or unintentionally? Yep. But the vast majority of time, despite everything and everyone working against them, they do a pretty damn good job.
Who's painting all cops with the same brush?
Its a police brutality thread, when police abuse their authority it gets posted here..not a hard concept.
But you will always get the people who feel the need to state the obvious and say that not all cops are bad.
Cops are usually always willing to cover each others backs when one of them does something wrong.
Its not often you here about a cop getting charged..thats all I was trying to say.
That is actually pretty far from the truth. Although I don't necessarily blame you since that is how it is portrayed in movies and other types of media.
The vast majority of cops are appalled and embarrassed by the actions of a few "bad apples". This thread is evidence of the reasons why.
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That is actually pretty far from the truth. Although I don't necessarily blame you since that is how it is portrayed in movies and other types of media.
The vast majority of cops are appalled and embarrassed by the actions of a few "bad apples". This thread is evidence of the reasons why.
Im not saying lots of cops arent appalled by the actions of some, my point was that some cops get away with the things because they are police.
It's also just as way over the top to claim that incidents like these are insignificant or that they shouldn't be brought to public attention.
Only constant public scrutiny upholds the integrity of those with power. It has always been so, and it will always be so.
For example, making noise about cops accidentally shooting innocents needs to be done, because "shoot first ask later" is easy and safe for those with guns, and tempting in moments of chaos and stress. There needs to be a counterbalance.
Also, what happened at the Jefferson memorial is not as important as the question what happens next? Was what the cops did legal? Should it be legal? If so, on what grounds? Was that not a clear violation of people's most basic freedoms?
Yes, people should have a right to annoy people of power, like cops, because the only opposite option is that "annoying a person of power" becomes a crime, and that is a truly dangerous concept for basic rights like liberty and justice.
If people don't constantly take care of their rights, they start to erode, and more people will be abused by people of power over things that truly matter.
Power will always be abused, but that does not mean those abuses should ever be tolerated, even when trivial.
This Friday I had a very negative interaction with the police. In Vancouver they have the "Gang Squad". Their mandate is basically to go from bar to bar and remove blacklisted people from bars. So they have the power to randomly ask anyone for ID and then pull them from the bar if they show up on their list.
I was in the bar and approached by the gang squad and pulled outside. I think possibly because I work out (therefore, even though I'm short have a much bigger build than average) I was targetted by them. The police officer claimed I didn't look him in the eye when he walked by me the first time and this was his "reasonable cause" to I.D. me.
I find this totally unbelievable as I'm actually a member of the bar society and I was at the bar or on the dance floor the entire time and did not notice these police until this interaction. After being let back into the bar after my ID was scanned, the bar staff was apprehensive about dealing with me, wouldn't serve me properly, and everyone in the bar was looking at me strangely.
I was quite pissed off at the time (I was also drunk), but I think you raise a great point. Our society simply would not be able to function without police risking their lives everyday. You have to take the good with the bad, and in this situation the good far outweighs the bad. I'm not saying we shouldn't discipline police when it's warranted, but our entitled society just does not give them enough respect. I think this is the root of the problem. People in our society these days feel entitled to everything and are unable to realize exactly what goes into them having the day to day safety they do.
SAN ANTONIO (CN) - A 14-year-old boy got into a fight at a school bus stop and the school district's police officer responded by shooting him to death, the boy's mother says. She says the cop had been reprimanded 16 times in the previous 4 years, suspended without pay 5 times, and "recommended for termination for insubordination," but the school kept him on the force "without remedial training."
Denys Lopez Moreno sued the Northside Independent School District, of San Antonio, the district's Chief of Police John Page and the alleged shooter, Daniel Alvarado, in Federal Court.
Lopez says her son, Derek, got into a fight with another boy at a school bus stop and punched the other boy once, in November 2010.
"Defendant, Alvarado, having responded to a call regarding a bus with a flat tire, witnessed Derek strike the other boy. He ordered Derek to 'freeze.' Derek hesitated and then ran from defendant Alvarado," according to the complaint.
"In his patrol car, Alvarado began chasing Derek in the neighborhood across the street from the high school. Alvarado lost sight of the boy in the neighborhood and returned to the location of the school boy fight. At that time, he called dispatch. Dispatch recordings reflect that his supervisor directed Alvarado to stay with the other boy and to 'not do any big search over there.'
"Ignoring his supervisor's orders to 'stay with the victim and get the information from him,' Alvarado placed the second boy into the patrol car and sped into the neighborhood to search for Derek."
Lopez says her son jumped over a fence and hid in a shed in the back yard of a house. The homeowner saw him, called 911, and alerted a neighbor, who pointed Alvarado in Derek's direction. Lopez says her son never left the shed, never approached the house or threatened the homeowner or her daughters, and posed no threat to anyone.
Nonetheless, she says: "In violation of NISD police department procedures, Alvarado drew his weapon immediately after exiting the patrol car. With his gun drawn, he rushed through the gate and into the back yard. Within seconds from arriving at the residence, Alvarado shot and killed the unarmed boy hiding in the shed."
I don't have a problem with it, yeah you could argue he was slightly excessive, minor suspension is an acceptable reprimand. (without knowing this officers discipline history,)
If a police officer is arresting you, it is not a negotiation, do what they say or be prepared to have some level of force used on you.
inb4 every police hating nitwit chimes in with their 2 cents.
