[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

From the "it happens to other teams" file - the Flyers have apparently lost the rights to goalie Joacim Lindstrom, widely consdired that organization's top prospect.

= they are widely known to have a perception problem of not developing talent. Of having bum D men vets like pronger in their lineup and not just handing over the reigns to rookies.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

From the "it happens to other teams" file - the Flyers have apparently lost the rights to goalie Joacim Lindstrom, widely consdired that organization's top prospect.

Lindstrom or Erikkson?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Lindstrom or Erikkson?

Oops Erikkson. Thanks.

Who the heck is Joacim Lindstrom?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Oops Erikkson. Thanks.

Who the heck is Joacim Lindstrom?

There was a Joakim Lindstrom from a while back in the Columbus organization.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Oops Erikkson. Thanks.

Who the heck is Joacim Lindstrom?

According to facebook he's a middle aged married man from Ankarsrum

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Saw it on hfboards - it isn't clear if he is going back in the draft or if he just becomes a free agent.

Flyer fans are some kinda pissed.

I'm pretty sure it's Darryl Sutter's fault somehow.

Edit: and yeah, Flyer fans are pissed.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...delphia-flyers

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Because it can really fubar a team and if others follow Erixon's lead very quickly you would have an unfair playing field. A high end player will make more money in endorsements in New York or Toronto than they will make in Edmonton or Winnipeg.

I think a player who doesn't sign should at least lose a year of eligibility to be drafted.

well very few players make money in endorsements, i doubt a mid range 1st rounder has that concern.

secondly, these are humans, not serfs. if they dont want to sign with the club that drafted them, then they shouldnt forced to just because some fans think its a problem.

how about we balance this issue, just as you think every player MUST sign with the club that drafted them, in exchange the club MUST sign every player they draft?

why does the team get that option but the player doesnt?

[FastEddy]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Instead of bashing Erixon maybe the Flames organization should take a look in the mirror and determine what makes them a less attractive organization to play for relative to other teams. Blake Wheeler did something similar in Phoenix because at the time the Coyotes organization was one of the worst run in the NHL and it was more of a circus rather than a professional club with the hockey team being a sideshow almost to Gretzky coaching.

Right now the Flames need to invest in their young make it a hospitable place for players to develop - give more opportunities to make the team and grow as players - every player that has been brought up over the past few years seems to be shoved into a third line grinder type role to start and then they are benched when they don't excel at that type of game.

Maybe Erixon just wanted to play in New York, maybe he just didn't want to play in Calgary and while the trade that was made will do the best for the Flames given their options at the time - in the long run the real winners are going to be the Rangers who have a very solid young defensive core.

I strongly believe that Calgary needs to revamp their scouting and the way that they treat their young - they don't have the worst draft record by any stretch but in the past decade the only player to have a major impact was Phaneuf. Past that the moves that Sutter made in which he traded away his young players (Kobasew, Lombardi) or gave a player a single shift in the league (Ramholt).... Granted Ramholt gave the puck away or something but I wouldn't be surprised if young players take note of something like that and say - if it could happen there, it could happen to me as well.

Ironic that the reality is exactly the opposite of what King would have you believe. Keep the PR machine rolling, Ken. It's obviously working from what I'm reading hear.

[868904]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You do realize that most Defencemen the Canucks used as spares this season were rookies?

And they used 13.

Don't just make that statement without naming the names.

Bieksa
Salo
Hamhuis
Ballard
Edler
Errhoff
Alberts
Rome

That's 8 "veterans", which was the whole point. The rookies played because of injuries, not because they made room for them. When you are a cup contender, you load up. That's the way it is. So I don't blame the Flames for loading up when they had strong teams back then.

It's a different story now. They SHOULD be going with youth, which is why the whole Erixon thing is stupid. It was the perfect situation for him. They weren't even going to bring back Babchuk who would have been the only threat to Erixon on the first powerplay unit.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

The Canucks have made room in the past though as can be evidenced by Edler and Bieksa on the team at the current time - I am positive Bourdon would be with the team if he didn't die, after that Tanev was able to show he was a solid player due to injuries and has been able to slot in ahead of Alberts for a few games in the playoffs.

In the Nonis and Burke eras they did the same thing as the Flames - they traded for garbage like Weinrich, Carney, Baumgartner and Brown. Gillis has made an effort to invest more money into scouting and development and that has already paid dividends because those rookies who were injury replacements will become regular players in the coming years or at least have the opportunity to do so.

[Stud_McCool]

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[Leon]

I come to the last page of this thread expecting some good discussion and see Canuck discussions. Sigh.

Having watched Jay's interview regarding this debacle, it's disappointing that Erixon's camp had their mind set long before the discussions ever took place. Not only is it a blindside, it's a big middle finger to the organization that essentially handcuffed Feaster in terms of his options moving forward.

As far as the return, I'm quite happy with what we received. I'm quite pissed off, however, that we lost an NHL caliber defenceman for entirely selfish reasons. While I don't wish him the worst, I hope he gets a taste of humble pie when the rangers realize that this kid may need some time in the AHL (See: Del Zotto).

This fiasco has left a sour taste in my mouth and a tip of the hat to our GM for making best of an otherwise terrible situation.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

While I agree it seems likely Erixion wanted to go to the Rangers to be with his dad from day one it does beg 2 questions, why the hell did the Flames draft him as I doubt this was a secret? and if they drafted him anyway, knowing they weren't on his wish list, why didn't they start woeing him from day one even if it meant putting him in the lineup too early?

If you know you are drafting a kid that doesn't want to be with your team you had better start kissing his arse early and often to avoid this.

Obviously it wasnt apparent at the time...

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Obviously it wasnt apparent at the time...

This is what pisses me off the most about this. Now I'm not a fan of the Flames way of developing players (MMM's post a few pages ago) but the way the Erixon camp negotiated here in bad faith and kept coming up with excuses really kind of pisses me of.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm pretty sure it's Darryl Sutter's fault somehow.

Edit: and yeah, Flyer fans are pissed.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...delphia-flyers

Head buryer.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

I just find it absolutely ridiculous that an entry-level player can outright refuse to play ball and completely screw the team that drafted them, but a RFA player can pretty much be forced into a contract with the team. Completely Bass-ackwards, IMO.

I thought the union rewarded seniority, not the whiny whims of a snot-nosed punk who has proven absolutely in the NHL.

I personally hope Erixon fails utterly and completely as an NHL player. It would give me great satisfaction to see him scurry back to Sweden like the little weasel he is. This thing was planned from the start, and I wish there were actually repercussions for players who pull garbage like this.

DIAF, Erixon.

I think the team that redraft said player should surrender their same round pick the next year.

So if Flames threw Tim back and he went in the first round to TO, we would get TO's 2012 first.

That would give the team losing the player more bargaining power.

That said, Feaster did a great job. I am well on my way to eating my words regarding how much he would suck.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Oh man....and when you consider the fact their biggest organizational weakness for YEARS has been goaltending, well, that is bad, bad, bad.

It just made Kipper worth a lot more to them.

This team does not need a Kipper caliber goalie right now.

Although it scares me how bad the Flames would be w/o him.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It just made Kipper worth a lot more to them.

This team does not need a Kipper caliber goalie right now.

Although it scares me how bad the Flames would be w/o him.

I'd actually seeing that as an upshot of moving Kiprusoff. This team should be a good defensive team, then add a star goalie to make them good. Not lean on a star goalie and hold on for dear life.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Why would Rundblad only have 2 years left on his ELC?


No one has answered why Rundblad got so much better treatment than Erixon.

Same draft, played for exactly the same teams and Rundblad is a year closer to his RFA, UFA and big contract.


So you Erixon haters the Flames screwed him out of $4M on his RFA contract.... Rundblad will be getting his payout and Erixon will be finishing his ELC.

I'm not sure why this is the case with Rundblad, but it might be because of when his birthday is, this is why he was ineligible for the WJC this year as well... its all why Spencer Bennett was an overage WHLer despite being drafted in his first eligible draft... and why Nazim Kardi was eligible to be in the AHL this season

Originally Posted by wingmaker

Anyone else think that Langkow might be an easier contract to move than Stajan? There is the question about how well he will play, but for a team with a low payroll, he is a veteran who brings heart and soul and has put up points and he only has a year left. Could be a decent fill in for a team needing a centre.

that is actually a very good point to be honest, for a young developing team like the Islanders, Winnipegers, Oilers and even Leafs (and he is very close with Phaneuf) this could be a very smart move... now the question is this, is it worth 4.5 million to one of these teams to develop their young stars?

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Why is he still not banned? All he does is go into every thread and try to provoke people. I have not seen an actual post that contributes to a discussion.

I thought that post only provoked laughter

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Saw it on hfboards - it isn't clear if he is going back in the draft or if he just becomes a free agent.

Flyer fans are some kinda pissed.

he is 21 and not 20, so I think he will become a UFA, same situation as Alexander Dielert (not that anyone will want him) where I think he too will be a UFA

[868904]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I don't buy that at all, in no way is Zyzuin, Marshment, Eriksson or Hulse going to be the players who are going to lead a team on a cup run, if anything the players who were some of the unsung heroes of the Canucks season were Rome, Sweatt and Tanev especially. The Canucks were bringing along Bourdon before he died and there are other homegrown elements to the Canucks defense namely Bieksa and Edler. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tanev be given a great shot to make the club next year.



Except for the past 6 years the Flames have had some solid defense that they have given away for scraps or less after they have rotted in the minors without being given a chance to play.



Except for the way that the Flames have handled young players for the past 6 years.

You aren't looking at everything that went on for both the Flames and the Canucks. You make it sound like Bieksa and Edler were given spots as soon as they turned pro, when that is not the case. Both players spent time in the AHL and "earned" spots in the NHL. The Canucks brought in lots of vets from other organizations such as Hamhuis, Ballard, Errhoff, Salo, Rome, Alberts. The only difference is, it's worked out better for the Canucks right now. Both the Flames and the Canucks have the same approach to developing players. They both have vets and youngsters and they don't just "hand" spots out, youngsters have to earn it. The same went for kesler and Burrows. They played in the AHL too.

If a player is ready, the Flames will play them. Phaneuf went straight to the NHL. Brodie started last year as 20 year old FIRST year pro before they sent him down for more seasoning in the AHL. Pelech has been given time, but injuries have killed his career. Erixon WAS going straight to Calgary. His spot on the first powerplay unit was pretty much guaranteed because no one was going to challenge him opposite Giordano.

And again, the salary cap issues are moot because by the time Erixon is up for a raise, there will be plenty of cap space.

Erixon just wanted to play for the Rangers and these are just lame excuses to mask the fact that he's a whiny b*tch.