[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[browna]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Kind of Ironic that Jay Grossman is talking about the Flames reputation with young players.

With clients like Radulov, Kovalchuk, and Erixon, his agency is developing quite a reputation of screwing over NHL teams

That, and he's not likely to disclose that Tim or his father had been approached by the Rangers, expressing their interest, and that Grossman has had talks with Sather the past few weeks, also expressing their interest.
In this case, he's just taking the excuse that will have the best chance of deflecting the issue away from him and his client and the Rags and back towards the Flames and the public perception.

[cznTiburon]

the way he was speaking about the grossman agency looks like there is no chance for babchuk. If we can sign carson and pardy we can have a pretty decent 5/6 pair

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Well, after thinking it over and calming down somewhat, I will agree Feaster likely did the best he could given the situation. My bigger issue now is Feaster publicly stating he is trying to re-sign both Pardy and Carson? Why in hell would he want to do that? Both guys are UFA's and both guys could and should be replaced by either kids from the farm or UFA's more suited to our team needs.

Carson and Pardy were both solid players last year. Pardy fell down a lot when the puck was no where near him, but other than that played a resonably solid game. Given that it seems like Babchuck won't be on the team, there is still room for Brodie. Carson and Pardy will be competing with each other for the 5th spot, unless Sarich is moved in which case it will be a competition for the 4th and 5th spot. If Brodie can demonstrate he belongs on the team, he'll be the 6th defenseman but with PP time (the role Babchuck played before). If Babchuck is signed, and Brodie plays well enough to make the team, then i'd expect one of Pardy and Carson to be traded or demoted assuming they are signed.

[Hemi-Cuda]

the Flames miss the playoffs for the 2nd straight year, Vancouver is most likely going to win the Stanley Cup, and their #1 ranked prospect refuses to sign a contract. does 2010-2011 go down as the worst season of hockey for Flames fans in history? i don't even think any of the dark years could touch this

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by moon

Or he would have been in the AHL developing like he should be.

He hasn't shown anything close to the offensive skill to indicate he should be on the pp or top 6 and with his terrible defensive awareness he is lucky to get 11 minutes in the NHL. If he wasn't a first round pick he wouldn't be up with the Flames based on his track record and ability.

I wasn't going to comment but after seeing this i have to question your philosophy of how he should be handled?

You do realize that scoring is almost exclusively on the powerplay now. When a player like backlund never see's the ice on the pp how is he supposed to produce? Playing 10 minutes a game (with 2-3 being pk minutes) alongside checkers or fighters does nothing to push a players offensive game.

Look at what happened to tanguay when keenan had him off the pp unit a few years ago. You expect a rookie to be able to put up 40 plus points as a checker? If he gets even a minute a game with the second unit i guarantee there would be a notable spike in his numbers.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Kind of makes all those "WHO THE HELL WOULD LIVE IN (Insert name of place Calgarians looked down upon here)" comments hit home eh?

Maybe next time some people won't be so quick to throw them out there.

Great job Feaster on getting the team something out of nothing!

I'll bite:

WHO THE HELL WOULD LIVE IN that place that's not NYC.

Guess Calgary's not New York

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

the Flames miss the playoffs for the 2nd straight year, Vancouver is most likely going to win the Stanley Cup, and their #1 ranked prospect refuses to sign a contract. does 2010-2011 go down as the worst season of hockey for Flames fans in history? i don't even think any of the dark years could touch this

Its pretty bad right now. I can remember being pissed off at moves or losing. Today i'm completely shocked and disgusted at how far we've fallen off from 12-18 months ago. You expect things like this to happen to teams like islanders, panthers, coyotes etc not to our franchise.

Hopefully this really serves as a major wake up call to how we conduct our player development and overall culture of the team.

Worst yet is we get to watch the canucks play for the cup tonight...as hard as it is to say it, they are doing it the right way and we really are just spinning our wheels.

[Rampage]

Just listened to the Feaster interview. His candid nature is very much appreciated. Makes him come across as trustworthy.
Going out of his way to talk about Horak's enthusiasm for joining the Flames was a smart PR choice.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You clearly have no idea.

oh i have plenty of idea, Backlund has shown himself as no more than a 3rd liner so far, I have no doubt he will improve, but he is definitely not ready to be in the top 6

Backlund saw 3rd line minutes until December 19th when he became a healthy scratch... in those 31 games he played less than 10 minutes twice and played almost exclusively on the 3rd line... despite getting a chance in the top 9 Backlund managed 4 goals and 8 points... then he was a healthy scratch because of his struggles... when he returned he was demoted to the 4th line because Moss had outplayed him

Backlund played better after getting back into the lineup but the fact but he still never produced to top 6 levels, unless you only remember the last 2 games where he performed really well offensive

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

the way he was speaking about the grossman agency looks like there is no chance for babchuk. If we can sign carson and pardy we can have a pretty decent 5/6 pair

Except maybe Babchuck would want to play here - not sure though haven't heard a peep out of him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

The "state" of the franchise has nothing to do with Erixon not coming here, those were BS excuses to force the Flames to trade hime where he wanted to go, where his dad played .... the Rangers. It's pretty bloody clear. All those issues raised weren't issues through the next 3 years. It was BS. The guy had one team in mind. Again pretty bloody clear.

Exactly.

Bunch of BS. Even Feaster said he went to great lengths to appease and disprove the concerns being laid out, and it didn't make one bit of difference. They had their minds made up (the whole Erixon clan, see my posts earlier in this thread) and wanted Tim to make his way to the Ranger organization to play with his cousin (and Skelleftea teammate) and to play where his Dad did.

Nothing was going to make Erixon sign a contract with the Flames.

Good riddance.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

the way he was speaking about the grossman agency looks like there is no chance for babchuk. If we can sign carson and pardy we can have a pretty decent 5/6 pair

You'd think a former agent would have a better rapport with other agencies, even (apparently) problematic ones.

I take the ~$1M combined I'd spend on Carson and Pardy and throw that at Babchuk and hope for the best.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You'd think a former agent would have a better rapport with other agencies, even (apparently) problematic ones.

I take the ~$1M combined I'd spend on Carson and Pardy and throw that at Babchuk and hope for the best.

the problem with grossman is not Feaster, this is a guy who's clients often have held out, defected and ran back to Europe to get their way multiple times. It's how Grossman does business

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by flamesaresmokin

Its pretty bad right now. I can remember being pissed off at moves or losing. Today i'm completely shocked and disgusted at how far we've fallen off from 12-18 months ago. You expect things like this to happen to teams like islanders, panthers, coyotes etc not to our franchise.

Hopefully this really serves as a major wake up call to how we conduct our player development and overall culture of the team.

Worst yet is we get to watch the canucks play for the cup tonight...as hard as it is to say it, they are doing it the right way and we really are just spinning our wheels.

i just realized something a little disturbing. there's a good chance that the Winnipeg Jets will make the playoffs before the Flames do again

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Well, after thinking it over and calming down somewhat, I will agree Feaster likely did the best he could given the situation. My bigger issue now is Feaster publicly stating he is trying to re-sign both Pardy and Carson? Why in hell would he want to do that? Both guys are UFA's and both guys could and should be replaced by either kids from the farm or UFA's more suited to our team needs.

It still comes down to our culture. Erixon is right in saying that we just don't give younger guys a legitimate shot. We'd rather go with the more expensive veteran player with less talent/lower ceiling then give the young guy a chance to prove himself and live with some rough games early on.

As a team with cap issues i don't know how we are going to sign tanguay, pardy, carson and fill the remaining empty spots? Its going to be a rough couple of years on our end of things at this rate.

Do pardy/carson get NMC's?

[Oliwa]

Call me crazy but I think things are gonna look a little better for the flames down the road.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

i just realized something a little disturbing. there's a good chance that the Winnipeg Jets will make the playoffs before the Flames do again

I'm thinking the Winnipeg Jets are gonna find out playing in the West is a little tougher than playing in the East.....and they weren't that good out East either.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

i just realized something a little disturbing. there's a good chance that the Winnipeg Jets will make the playoffs before the Flames do again

Worse thing yet is that we'll likely still finish in the 9-11 section and not even benefit from poor finishes.

[ricardodw]

Where would have Erixon gone in the 2011 draft?


It isn't like the press were being held and he was all set to be a surprise top 5 pick.


David Runblad was his team mate on Skelleftea HC got drafted by St. L in 17th in the 2009 draft with Erixon going 23rd.

Runblad has been the better player throughout their careers on all the same teams. He had 50 pts to Erixons 24 in the SEL and was more prominent on both the WJC and the WC teams.

In the 2010 draft St. L traded him to Ottawa for a 16th pick overall.


There is absolutely no way that anyone gives the Flames a pick higher than 16 for Erixon.

Erixon wouldn't go in the top 10 this year.

[cannon7]

Feaster's draft record better get better or those second rounders will hang around his neck.