[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[Coach]

Originally Posted by moon

O'Reilly played on the 3/4 lines all season long. Isn't that the exact thing you are complaining about the Flames doing?

And the Flames haven't had a forward prospect with close to the talent of Skinner since Iginla so unfair to expect them to have the same results as what Skinner did.

O'Reilly was a bad example, I just remmeber the start of the year when everyone was talking about the Avs and their top 2 centermen being teenagers.

Im not expecting the same results as Skinner has had, obviously. I'm just making the point that these players are all drafted within 30 people of each other, out of all kids the same age in the world that play this sport. The top 30. To reach that level is pretty insane. These guys know how to play the game, let them play it. I'm not saying they dont have anything to learn, but let them learn within their comfort zone. And being 3/4 line checkers is not their comfort zone.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Sunblad

No its not, you don't wait to the 11th hour, if it doesn't look like you can sign him - shop him around. How many GM's knew he was available? Sounds like the Phaneuf deal? Lets negotiate with the Leafs, when most teams didn't know he was available.

Did you just wake up? Erixon decided he wanted to be a Ranger....there was no shopping or he just doesn't sign anywhere and the Flames get the single 2nd rounder.....read the thread man.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

there is talk of howse and horak playing together but are they not both LW, can someone correct me?

I can't answer this, but Brandon Manning, their teammate with the Bruins had this to say on twitter...

@bzetts
Brandon Manning
roman horak is a calgary flame...had some serious chem with @HowseFire (howse) last couple years #theboysareback

I don't put much stock into junior teammates continuing that chemistry into pro, but it seems Horak and Howse did indeed have chemistry and that he is a well liked teammate.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Have you at least put any pants on yet?

Yes, thankfully. I even managed to leave the house for a bit.

[Badgers Nose]

Great trade!

We get a very good offensive prospect who could centre Howse some day and two second rounders for a guy who might IMO someday be in Gio's class.

I never understood the buzz about Erixon. He scores points in the SEL, but put up minimal pts in WJS and WC. His +/- is not too great either. And I recall him getting owned every time I point him out at the juniors.

The the 2nd round picks are great! This years draft is a crap shoot after the top 4. That is both bad and good. It's totally 50/50 IMO.

Having more picks increases the chances of drafting the next great Flame.

It also makes the draft more interesting.

I hope Jay can get us more picks.

Winnpeg+Flames trade > SCF

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I can't answer this, but Brandon Manning, their teammate with the Bruins had this to say on twitter...



I don't put much stock into junior teammates continuing that chemistry into pro, but it seems Horak and Howse did indeed have chemistry and that he is a well liked teammate.

WHL site lists him as a LW, but TSN has him as a center, so if him and howse did play together i would imagine that TSN would be right (as i remember seeing Howse play the left side)

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Sounds you want players to become indentured servants to the teams that draft them. It also sounds like sour grapes on your part.

Not at all. If they don't want to sign with the NHL team that drafted them, then they can refuse - just they should have to wait another year to be drafted again and not be able to sign with another NHL team right away. They are perfectly free to choose not to sign. The consequences are that they can't play for another NHL team until next season.

That is how it is with FAs. It should be like the situation with Nabokov. He left he NHL and signed with Detroit but the Islanders got his rights via waiver. He could have came back to the NHL but didn't honor those rights and so he was forced to remain in Europe.

There should be a draft waiver in that case as well.

The issue is that the player has all the leverage in this case. He could keep the drafting team on a string until the 11th hour hoping that the ticking clock desperation to sign would give him more bargaining power. If he didn't get signed he would just get drafted again at a higher position (Erixon's development has shown improvement) and the accolades and monetary bonuses that come with that. Or he could do what happened in this case where there was already a contract waiting for him at the Rangers.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

After getting over my initial pissy mood about Erixon, I kind of like this deal.

Since Erixon didn't want to play in Calgary anyways, getting two seconds is actually pretty good. Better than letting him go for nothing and getting one second round compensation pick.

Of course, it's a big piss off.

This just means more pressure being put on the shoulders of Pelech, Brodie, and Breen to step up their games. Also, it puts pressure on the likes of Reinhart, Bennett, Howse, etc.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Why would you think that we would get anything better than a late first round pick or a couple of Second round picks for him (along with a prospect).


Erixon is not a sure thing ... he definitely isn't a dominate presence like Phanuef was when he showed up.

Erixon was not playing himself onto the roster at rookie camp.

Fair question - however, I cannot imagine that making trades at the last minute wouldn't involve a bit of a mad scramble on the part of the Flames...the closer the clock ticked to 3pm, the less leverage we had.

At least if we had a month, maybe we'd have been able to explore other options with other teams.

Whether he'll pan or not remains to be seen, but it sure seems like his stock has dipped since he asked for a trade. I felt that he would be a top 2-3 dman for the Flames and stand by that estimate when he's with the Rangers.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Great trade!

We get a very good offensive prospect who could centre Howse some day and two second rounders for a guy who might IMO someday be in Gio's class.

What if we draft 2 forwards?

[steveo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I have to imagine that a lot of kids don't get drafted to their number one choice, but I don't see them doing what Erixon did.

ya, thats true. but there are also a lot of people out there who don't feel like self entitled cockroaches. if i played hockey to a high competitive level and got drafted i'd be happy as can be and work my way from there. if i wanted to be a calgary flame, i'd wait for a day where i can sign a contract with them in my ufa years or get traded there. peoples attitude and personalities rarely change, must have been how he was since he was growing up though.

[Ashasx]

I think the Flames got the best return they could at a time like this, but I still don't think two 2nds + Horak is equal value to a 23rd overall pick. Sure would have been nice if Erixon had told management a year ago.

The Rangers play in Calgary next season.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I want to know why he wouldn't sign.

If the reasoning is because he doesn't like the coach or the GM or whatever, they need to step up their game, because their public image is being tarnished.

A truly terrible day for the history of this team.

Holy overreaction Batman.

[ricardodw]

Erixon has a much better chance of playing in the NHL next year with the Rangers...

Staal, Girardi, Gilroy Emminger is their top 4 returning d-men.


Much better trade than dumping Lydman for a 3rd round pick.

Got Bourque and Kipper for a pair of second rounders.

[edn88]

I think Sutter had it right when he was targeting Western Canadian kids that wanted to be here.

[ComixZone]

I hate Erixon. I like the trade.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think the Flames got the best return they could at a time like this, but I still don't think two 2nds + Horak is equal value to a 23rd overall pick. Sure would have been nice if Erixon had told management a year ago.

Actually, if you were at a draft and traded down and got two 2nds and a good prospect like Horak it would be a very good trade. The problem is Erixon played above where he was drafted two years ago.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

As much as people like to brush it off like its nothing, the Flames not giving young players a chance (or ones that eventually do, flame out and die) is a huge problem. Things like filling 13th forward positions with Byron Ritchie time and time again, or even (IMO) Backlund being held back "until he is ready" really hurts the image of your organization. I know a lot of people liked to plug their ears and pretend like all is fine and all the cards are held by one side, but sooner or later, this type of organizational behavior will hurt you... like now.

Unless you listen to Warrener this week, who said Dustin Boyd might have been better but was rushed into the line-up.
Whatever does not work out was wrong, no matter what, but you don't know that until after the fact.
Deep, I know...

[Hack&Lube]

I have absolutely nothing against Erixon and the Flames did decently for player that never wanted to keep playing here.

But this isn't a Drury situation, it's a draft situation. I don't like how the system works in that a player can refuse to sign with the team that drafted him for arbitrary or unstated reasons -> without consequences. A player that does this should not be able to re-enter the NHL draft or play with another NHL team for another year. There should be a waiver situation like with FAs who are free to not report to the team that traded for/signed them/have their rights like Nabokov and the Islanders. The consequence is that they are not allowed into an NHL organization until the next season.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Erixon has a much better chance of playing in the NHL next year with the Rangers...

Staal, Girardi, Gilroy Emminger is their top 4 returning d-men.


Much better trade than dumping Lydman for a 3rd round pick.

Got Bourque and Kipper for a pair of second rounders.

We could easily get a 1st ++ for either alone. Bourque may be lazy, but people would pay for his production.