[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Don't forget those carpet-bagger Winnipeg Jets stole Teemu Selanne from us 20 years ago as well. #### them too.

well it was the Flames who tried stealing Teemu away from the Jets. haha

darn. I was sure Erixon was going to put up 600 goals and 1300 points! it was almost guaranteed!

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Are there any rules and precedent around tampering? Not suggesting, just curious

Honestly I have no idea.

It sure looks fishy to me though.

The Rangers trade for Lindberg less than a month ago, and then Erixon won't sign an ELC with the team that drafted him, and obviously asks for a trade to the Rangers.

Both guys in the same family and all represented by the same agent.....the same agent who looked after Jan Erixon as well.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

leverage came from the fact its so last minute.

If he didn't want to play here, its hard to come down on management for trading him

arguably however, we ought to have known that a little earlier (like months ago) so that we could have explored other trade options instead of making a deal essentially at gunpoint...

maybe we did, maybe we didn't, but from the scuttlebutt it sure seems like NYR was the only other team we talked to and that just started up today...

Why would you think that we would get anything better than a late first round pick or a couple of Second round picks for him (along with a prospect).


Erixon is not a sure thing ... he definitely isn't a dominate presence like Phanuef was when he showed up.

Erixon was not playing himself onto the roster at rookie camp.

[Ashasx]

If his dad influenced him, with his history with the NYR, could this be considered tampering?

[nik-]

Between this, Rob Kerr's stupid ass trying to make all the discussion about him, and the Canucks talk, I'm about ready to put my fist through a wall.

[cznTiburon]

dunno if this is fata but at least someones happy -

HowseFire Ryan Howse



Pretty fired up Roman Horak traded to the flames with me #linemates #forlife

10 minutes ago

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

This situation shouldn't be allowed to exist however, but the CBA permits it. There should be some minimum standard that a team must meet in order to sign a draft pick so the draft pick cannot simply refuse to sign until the last moment because his dad is secretly negotiating with another team. Foul play but a big win for the Rangers.

This kind of situation is not good for the NHL and struggling teams as it defeats the purpose of an ordered draft with higher picks going to weaker teams. Players could always just refuse to sign for arbitrary reasons while outsiders are potentially tampering with the rights to negotiate.

Where would Pittsburg or the Lightning be today if their 1st rounders like Crosby, Malkin, Stampkos, etc. had arbitrarily refused to sign? There should be a minimum standard (salary, conditions, etc.) that teams only have to reach and a player has no choice but sign, but the CBA doesn't work that way.

Sounds you want players to become indentured servants to the teams that draft them. It also sounds like sour grapes on your part.

[steveo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I realize this isn't Sidney Crosby. But this looks terrible for the organization. The laughing stock of the league right now. How can we fail to maintain our first round picks, regardless of the reason?

regardless of reason? if the guy doesn't want to sign here how could you sign him? you can't take a gun to his head and force him to put his autograph on the contract. if you want to date a chick and she doesn't want to be with you, you can't force the girl to be with you.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

well it was the Flames who tried stealing Teemu away from the Jets. haha

darn. I was sure Erixon was going to put up 600 goals and 1300 points! it was almost guaranteed!

I'll be long dead in the cold, cold ground before I admit the Flames tried to steal Teemu, Winnipeg stole him back!

[OilKiller]

Well, let's hope that in the future, we can pull up this old thread when Horak is tearing it up as a Flame and Erixon isn't even on the Rangers roster. That would be a great day indeed.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by flambers

Or a possible #2 defenseman.....

Its a terrible situation.... Flames were forced to make the only decison they could which was to trade the players rights ...

For the record I believe Feaster made a decent trade (no matter if the returning assets turn out)

This looks bad on the Flames, not being able to sign their #1 prospect.

Lot of reading to finally find the correct take on the situation. There is nothing good about losing a number one pick. Sugercoat it all you like, defend Feaster, blame Sutter and whatever else makes ya happy.

But "this looks bad on the Flames" is indeed the truth of the matter.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There is nothing more priceless than the massive overreactions of many Flames fans. As bad as Oiler and Canuck fans at times.

What massive overreaction? You mean your top prospect not wanting to sign a contract to play for your team?

Yeah, I'd say thats a pretty big deal. If its no big deal, then you accept mediocre.

[steveo]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

dunno if this is fata but at least someones happy -

HowseFire Ryan Howse



Pretty fired up Roman Horak traded to the flames with me #linemates #forlife

10 minutes ago

bzetts Brandon Manning
roman horak is a calgary flame...had some serious chem with @HowseFire last couple years #theboysareback
13 minutes ago

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

dunno if this is fata but at least someones happy -

HowseFire Ryan Howse



Pretty fired up Roman Horak traded to the flames with me #linemates #forlife

10 minutes ago

According to his twitter hes living in Calgary now also.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by flambers

Or a possible #2 defenseman.....

Its a terrible situation.... Flames were forced to make the only decison they could which was to trade the players rights ...

For the record I believe Feaster made a decent trade (no matter if the returning assets turn out)

This looks bad on the Flames, not being able to sign their #1 prospect.

Not really when you consider the overall situation. Erixon had every advantage on his side.

1. Late start to the negotiating process due to the season/worlds/whatever.
2. Significant gains in rankings and a relatively weak draft that would probably have him going in the first round again
3. CBA expiring and the potential to have better conditions (if he went back to the draft)
4. Comfortable situation in the SEL which he could easily return to if another team drafted him and would not sign/deal him (assuming Rangers were the ultimate goal)
5. Rigid caps on salary and bonuses - it is next to impossible to "sweeten the pot"

The fact that Erixon had pretty much zero downside in this whole process. I hope the presser in 20 minutes sheds some light as to why - which is the only thing we really care about now anyways.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by steveo

regardless of reason? if the guy doesn't want to sign here how could you sign him? you can't take a gun to his head and force him to put his autograph on the contract. if you want to date a chick and she doesn't want to be with you, you can't force the girl to be with you.

I have to imagine that a lot of kids don't get drafted to their number one choice, but I don't see them doing what Erixon did.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by nik-

Between this, Rob Kerr's stupid ass trying to make all the discussion about him, and the Canucks talk, I'm about ready to put my fist through a wall.

Have you at least put any pants on yet?

[Icon]

Originally Posted by steveo

#theboysareback

Young Guns 2 !

[ignite09]

Am I the only one who feels the Erixon camp had this set up for a while now? Seems like this really did blindside our organization. Sutter had some faults, but he had the philosophy on drafting "western" guys because he wanted players who wanted to play here. So it makes no sense that he wouldn't have dealt him early if there was any hint of a problem.

The fact that Tims father is still involved with the NYR's, and this guy was both of their agents bothers me. Someone said in another thread that this guy was also Yashins agent, so we know his moral compass doesn't always point north if you know what I mean. Maybe my tinfoil hat is on a little tight this afternoon, but Tim Erixson got EXCACTLY what he wanted today. Agian, bothersom.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Discoste

Disappointing on all fronts. There still a bunch a questions:

Did he really want to be Flame? Did his Dad influence him?
When did he tell Flames "not interested"? Was he prepared to re-enter draft or was it a bluff?

In his draft year, Erixon probably said all the things the Flames wanted to hear in his interview at the combine.

Contract options? not much wriggle room to negotiate over:

League min is 525k. Rookie league max is ~900k. Players who sign their first contract at age 18-21 are required to sign three-year Entry Level contracts.

900k plus bonuses. Stamkos , Taylor Hall and Tavares are all getting 3.75 on their EL contract. Doughty and Bogosian 3,375 Evander kane 3.1

Backlund 1.3