Ipsos Reid poll has Cons ahead in Ontario

[transplant99]

Didn't see this coming at any point, but an interesting development nonetheless. Still a long ways to go and much can change. I wonder if a bunch of Ontarians asked their "daddy" who he voted for and cganged their minds?

In the key battleground of seat-rich Ontario, the Liberals have fallen four points to 36%, giving the Conservatives, who remained at 38%, the edge. The Liberals have won four consecutive elections largely on the strength of their popularity in Canada's most populous province.

Nationally, the NDP have the support of 18% of voters, up two points, while Green party support remains unchanged at 5%. The Bloc Quebecois, meanwhile, has slipped two points but would still attract more than half the votes in Quebec with 52% support, a 26-point lead over the Liberals, while Conservative support has jumped to 12% from seven.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...302b86a&k=6656

[Flame On]

Polls like this are interesting too. The political one I mean not the sunshine girl at the bottom (on a pole) lol (although I am interested that for sure)

http://ottsun.canoe.ca/News/Election...75659-sun.html

[Lurch]

Didn't see this coming at any point, but an interesting development nonetheless. Still a long ways to go and much can change. I wonder if a bunch of Ontarians asked their "daddy" who he voted for and cganged their minds?

Wow. Oh, you burned me there. I mean, the sting from your barb bites to the core. Your oh so clever miss of the obvious joke makes me realize the need for smilies.

[HOZ]

The First Liberal attack adds are on their way....


Alberta rednecks EVERYWHERE!!!!! SCARY!!!!! HARPER!!! HIDDEN AGENDA!!!!Rednecks, agenda, Harper, hidden, Alberta!!!!!!! BEWARE!!!

[FlamesAddiction]

Contrary to what many here push, people in Ontario do not always vote for the Liberals. Ontario is actually a swing province if there ever was one.

Alberta on the other hand....

[Resolute 14]

A single poll is meaningless. Most polls have the Conservatives 7-9 points back, so I'd be more inclined to believe this poll had some rather leading questions unless this develops into a trend. And I sincerely hope it does.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by HOZ

The First Liberal attack adds are on their way....


Alberta rednecks EVERYWHERE!!!!! SCARY!!!!! HARPER!!! HIDDEN AGENDA!!!!Rednecks, agenda, Harper, hidden, Alberta!!!!!!! BEWARE!!!

Is it your opinion that anyone that doesn't like the conservatives has been scared by them. Or perhaps is there room in your world for different preferences. Don't get me wrong, I do hate rednecks for sure.

[Sylvanfan]

The only time I'll believe that the Conservatives are more popular than the Liberals in Ontario will be when they win more seats. Until that happens it's nothing but fluff.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The only time I'll believe that the Conservatives are more popular than the Liberals in Ontario will be when they win more seats. Until that happens it's nothing but fluff.

You are 100% right Syl...and that will never happen until the Cons learn to control their own people and to keep their traps shut at the "right" time. They are learning, slowly.
The real reason the Cons havent done anything in the last number of years is because of the Reforms and the fact they fractured the right. The Cons "may have" won a majority in the last decade if they had been one solid party...as opposed to a broken old party and a whacko right wing party. People in Ontario are a lot smarter than people give them credit for in Alberta.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Alberta rednecks EVERYWHERE!!!!! SCARY!!!!! HARPER!!! HIDDEN AGENDA!!!!Rednecks, agenda, Harper, hidden, Alberta!!!!!!! BEWARE!!!

When I read that, I just thought of Mike Richards' parody of Steve Armitidge (sp?)

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Cheese

You are 100% right Syl...and that will never happen until the Cons learn to control their own people and to keep their traps shut at the "right" time. They are learning, slowly.
The real reason the Cons havent done anything in the last number of years is because of the Reforms and the fact they fractured the right. The Cons "may have" won a majority in the last decade if they had been one solid party...as opposed to a broken old party and a whacko right wing party. People in Ontario are a lot smarter than people give them credit for in Alberta.

The left gets to be as racist as they choose, as offensive, as slanderous, as rude, and yet the right has to learn.

[Tower]

I have a great poll!!!! It's not very conservative nor is it bloc'd. But it needs to be less liberal that's for sure.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

The left gets to be as racist as they choose, as offensive, as slanderous, as rude, and yet the right has to learn.

The LEFT in Canada is the NDP...the Liberals are Central...or have the ability to move left or right of Centre dependant on the people. So whats the point?

[Resolute 14]

Nice job using semantics to avoid dealing with the argument made. How very liberal of you

[Flame On]

Whatever Snakeeye. Cheese said:

and that will never happen until the Cons learn to control their own people and to keep their traps shut at the "right" time

the Cons havent done anything in the last number of years is because of the Reforms and the fact they fractured the right.

The Cons "may have" won a majority in the last decade if they had been one solid party

as opposed to a broken old party and a whacko right wing party

Those are all direct points and criticisms of the Cons and all ones which it was YOU that didn't address. YOU tried to spin his points to the Liberals.
So in fact it's YOU that's avoiding and spinning and being liberal as you say!
If Cheese had said, "the liberals never say anything controversial, are wholey inclusive, bla bla bla etc." then you could attack that. But instead YOU ignored his attack on the loser Cons and tried to attack the Liberals.
Hey to the victor goes the spoils. If both are as bad as eachother in terms of political parties but one keeps winning and one keeps losing but doesn't learn, then there's not gonna be any change. And if its the party you support not learning, I guess it sucks to be you!

[Resolute 14]

Actually, I do not disagree that a major problem in Canada in the last 15 years was the fractured right. It is rather obvious, so there was no reason to argue it.

It was the statement about the Conservatives needing to learn to "control their people" and "keep their traps shut" that I took issue with.

I find it quite ironic that the hypocrites on the left would criticize right wing people for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time whill allowing those on the left unlimited free passes for same.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Actually, I do not disagree that a major problem in Canada in the last 15 years was the fractured right. It is rather obvious, so there was no reason to argue it.

It was the statement about the Conservatives needing to learn to "control their people" and "keep their traps shut" that I took issue with.

I find it quite ironic that the hypocrites on the left would criticize right wing people for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time whill allowing those on the left unlimited free passes for same.

and I was suggesting to you that the left in Canada is the NDP not the Liberals....



Heres some excerpts from an article prior to the LAST election...

CONSERVATIVES – This election differs from 2000 in that both the PC’s and Alliance parties were running for office. No one was much concerned about PC policies but Alliance did raise many questions. Today these concerns have migrated to the new Conservative party serving to confirm what party took over the right wing of Canadian politics.

What started as an attempt to broaden Alliance’s appeal to those small "c" conservatives and fiscally responsible voters has created an agenda that appeals to a narrow few. Hardened by the Christian right their position on issues of abortion, same sex marriage, homosexuality, and capital punishment are clearly at odds with traditional Canadian values of tolerance. Modifying the Charter of Rights to purposely discriminate against gays, or use the notwithstanding clause, appointing Supreme Court justices whose judgement suits a political persuasion are all examples of extremism unknown in past federal politics.

The Conservative party has spoken about fixing Health Care but the principle difference between Harper and Martin is the role the federal government will play. Harper would relinquish federal involvement to the provinces. If the federal government has no say in healthcare policies and priorities, how are federal standards to be enforced?

Indeed in the 2000 election Stockwell Day sent a letter to the premiers stating he favours setting up a new mechanism replacing the federal government’s ability to enforce health care standards by withholding funding. It appears nothing has changed.

Today Harper remains silent on whether he would enforce national standards against Alberta by withholding funds. This is most troubling.

In advancing a hands-off position on healthcare Harper appears to seemingly view the nation through a Premier’s eyes, harbouring greater concern and focus over violating provincial jurisdictional structure than protecting the national interest. This too is troubling.

Harper was clear about Iraq during the war while today he has softened his view but perhaps not his intentions. In evading his previous public criticism of not going to war one gets a sense today that he is avoiding public debate on the issue in favour of providing unwavering support, following the election, for any American inspired war irrespective of merit.

On gun control the party would relax gun laws while removing the registry, privatize much of the CBC, remove the CRTC, change bilingual laws, and change the equalization formula. On these provocative issues the party restrains itself from debate or extolling its goals choosing to frame policies in broad abstract terms with little specificity thereby fuelling further debate on whether a concealed agenda exists.

[mykalberta]

If you support the PC party - please dont post any poll results where the PC might be leading. It will only hurt the party's chances.

Thanks.

MYK

[Resolute 14]

From my view, the Liberals are left, the NDP are far left. Regardless, you are still stuck on semantics, Cheese.

Your exerpts are worthless lacking a link to their source. Impossible to judge how slanted the author(s) are without being able to look at where they came from. Not to mention that they were written for the last election, not this one.

[CaptainCrunch]

Geez Cheese that article looks like the infamous ads that the Liberal's published in the last election where they tried to scare people, and had a "Hidden agenda"

I could sit here and write about the evils of the Liberal's and thier hidden agenda to take control of the raising of future voters, and thier soft on crimes view on the world, and it would be about as legit as the article that you've got up there.

If you look at the current Conservative Platform its far more Liberal then what the Liberal's are offering, but thats because the Liberal's don't have a platform or an idea until they steal one.