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Cheese · 05-20-2011, 08:31 PM

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Wow the Valedictorian has already been mocked for her wieght and supposed stupidity. I can see where atheist boy gets his bitterness from.

photon · 05-20-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Wow the Valedictorian has already been mocked for her wieght and supposed stupidity. I can see where atheist boy gets his bitterness from.

You're lucky the story where Jesus talks about the one who is blameless casting the first stone is actually made up.

Thor · 05-20-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

It was planned all along....but only by the parents and kids from what I can tell.

This kid pissed off a lot of people.

http://www.bastropenterprise.com/fea...tudent-protest

There really is no reaching you is there?

transplant99 · 05-20-2011, 08:33 PM

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It's not the words themselves that are stressing or offensive. It's the feeling of living in a community and attending a school where you're made to feel like an outsider. It's the fact that the most visible employees of the supposedly secular government in this kid's life -- the faculty and administration of his school -- do not abide by the law and respect his right to freedom of/from religion and conscience.

You may shake those things off as trivial and nothing to get upset about, but you're not Damon. And fortunately for him, the Supreme Court sides with his views, not yours.

But that was his original complaint as to why he wanted them excluded.

My views are nothing more than "was this worth it to him" and how easily it could have been avoided...I think that much is pretty clear.

the kid had every right to do what he did for whatever reason he had...I just wonder if it was "all that and a bag of chips" for him when all was said and done, particularly when a prayer was said anyhow.

GreatWhiteEbola · 05-20-2011, 08:34 PM

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Shameless.

I prefer typically Christian.

transplant99 · 05-20-2011, 08:34 PM

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There really is no reaching you is there?

Im sorry...what about all that "isnt reaching me". I didnt write any of it.

Strange comment.

MarchHare · 05-20-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

But that was his original complaint as to why he wanted them excluded.

No it wasn't, and you know that.

He didn't say any specific prayer was stressting or offensive but rather the act of government-sponsored prayer itself regardless of what words were used.

Thor · 05-20-2011, 08:36 PM

What, that he made people angry, he didn't just be quiet because the majority was against him?

What part am I wrong about?

puckluck · 05-20-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Im sorry...what about all that "isnt reaching me". I didnt write any of it.

Strange comment.

You've ignored my comments about not everyone who was listening to that prayer believed in it.

Why should I, a muslim, have to listen to a Christian prayer I don't believe in during MY graduation?

transplant99 · 05-20-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane

By only recognizing one spiritual path in the ceremony, they were diminishing all others, including atheism. That is inherently prejudicial.

And from the way the "inbred hicks" in the town reacted, it clearly shows that his cause for concern was just. The way the town folk have persecuted this kid is shameful.

I would agree except that nothing in that prayer excludes anyone else nor is it specific to christians...though I am aware it is one said by them

And I agree the way he has been treated is shameful...said so many times.

Cheese · 05-20-2011, 08:38 PM

seems as though they like to pray for rain too...

I, RICK PERRY, Governor of Texas, under the authority vested in me by the Constitution and Statutes of the State of Texas, do hereby proclaim the three-day period from Friday, April 22, 2011, to Sunday, April 24, 2011, as Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas. I urge Texans of all faiths and traditions to offer prayers on that day for the healing of our land, the rebuilding of our communities and the restoration of our normal way of life.

http://friendlyatheist.com/2011/04/2...top-the-fires/

Hack&Lube · 05-20-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So doesn't the pledge of allegence still have the word God in it?

Guess it's not easy being green.

The pledge of allegiance did not have the words "Under God" inserted into it until 1948. Many Americans do not say this line when they recite the pledge of allegiance, either staying silent or saying "Under Law". Similar cases to the high school graduation prayer issue have occurred with the pledge of allegiance.

Calgaryborn · 05-20-2011, 08:39 PM

Just think isn't wonderful how one atheist boy can bring a whole religious community together! I'll bet church attendance will be way up this week!

RogerWilco · 05-20-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Wow the Valedictorian has already been mocked for her wieght and supposed stupidity. I can see where atheist boy gets his bitterness from.

Doesn't the bible say something like all sins are equal? Why are you not denouncing her glutony as much as you would denounce a murderer? Or do you defend murder as well?

MrMastodonFarm · 05-20-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Just think isn't wonderful how one atheist boy can bring a whole religious community together! I'll bet church attendance will be way up this week!

Do they take attendance numbers?

MarchHare · 05-20-2011, 08:40 PM

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I would agree except that nothing in that prayer excludes anyone else nor is it specific to christians...

Nothing in that prayer is specific to Christians? Dude, that has to be the most wrong thing you've said in a very long string of wrong things you've said so far in this thread. It's a CHRISTIAN prayer. It comes directly from the New Testament (Matthew 6:9-13 to be exact).

Thor · 05-20-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Just think isn't wonderful how one atheist boy can bring a whole religious community together! I'll bet church attendance will be way up this week!

Couldn't agree more.

Because the town with 99% church attendance will have 99% attendance again.

But what they don't realize is that once he leaves this town, the internet and most importantly college/university is where religion dies.

transplant99 · 05-20-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MarchHare

No it wasn't, and you know that.

He didn't say any specific prayer was stressting or offensive but rather the act of government-sponsored prayer itself regardless of what words were used.

Here is the quote...what part do you disagree with?

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My reasoning behind it is that it's emotionally stressing on anyone who isn't Christian.

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What, that he made people angry, he didn't just be quiet because the majority was against him?

What part am I wrong about

Huh? Yes, he made lots of people angry...do you disagree? Not my story...just what was printed.

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You've ignored my comments about not everyone who was listening to that prayer believed in it.

Why should I, a muslim, have to listen to a Christian prayer I don't believe in during MY graduation

When people around you decide tos tart talking and/or praying Im not sure what else you can do. Im not christian either, but I have been exposed to many a prayer and never thought twice about it. Other than that, you dont. If the school sanctioned this prayer then you have a case, but when individual students lead it and from the sounds of it everyone else joins in...not sure what you can do.

Calgaryborn · 05-20-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The pledge of allegiance did not have the words "Under God" inserted into it until 1948. Many Americans do not say this line when they recite the pledge of allegiance, either staying silent or saying "Under Law". Similar cases to the high school graduation prayer issue have occurred with the pledge of allegiance with courts ruling that it is unconstitutional to require someone to say "under god".

So I wonder which version they used?

Bane · 05-20-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

I would agree except that nothing in that prayer excludes anyone else nor is it specific to christians...though I am aware it is one said by them

Not in the prayer itself, but in the school allowing a Christian prayer only. If you're going to allow prayer in, then you have to allow equal podium time to speakers for all spiritual paths respresented by that specific student body. Even atheists. They could have offered to give the kid a chance to speak as an atheist.

However, I personally think prayer should be kept out of public institutions. And as a pagan, that includes my own.