2011 Canadian Election Thread

[Daradon]

I apologize profusely and will bring you food while you father more offspring.

I could not be more wrong.

I am a very bad person.

Thank you for the schooling of my soul.

(bows graciously)

[Daradon]

Transplant 99 is right and I am wrong.

I am better for seeing his arguments.

[Frequitude]

*Sigh* ...our awesome thread is being tainted.

In other news, NDP have their Vegas party girl in lockdown.

Vegas-vacationing NDP MP from Quebec still missing in action

The search continues for Ruth Ellen Brosseau, the New Democrat MP who took a trip to Las Vegas during the election campaign and will now make an annual salary of $157,000 as a member of parliament.

...

But the party continued to refuse requests to interview Brosseau. Since being elected, she has been brushing up on her French and receiving other training to prepare for life as an MP.

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It's expected Brosseau will give her first interview to local francophone media in the riding.

[Ark2]

Has anyone been reading Macleans behind the scenes coverage of the election? I find this sort of stuff fascinating. They are looking at what happened in all the camps from the build up to the election all the way to election night. It's told in a 6 part story (two parts have be released so far). Check it you're looking for a really detailed break down of what happened this election.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/05/04/p...urned-over/#C1

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by fotze

Kisses to you Fotze.

But only if you promise not to enjoy them.

[yads]

Of course the CBC and other media will seem left leaning when you yourself lean on the right side of the issues.

[crazy_eoj]

Is there a sale on PCP that I missed out on?

Someone accusing the police of laying charges on an event over a decade ago and now alleging the CBC isn't left leaning....

Hand me the cocoa puffs....

[corporatejay]

I think the CBC does lean left from an editorial perspective but they report the news right down the middle, unlike the Sun which is right wing on both counts.

[The Goon]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

*Sigh* ...our awesome thread is being tainted.

In other news, NDP have their Vegas party girl in lockdown.

Vegas-vacationing NDP MP from Quebec still missing in action

It turns out she had a brother in arms down in Lethbridge: The Man Who Wasn't There.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2012157/

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I think the CBC does lean left from an editorial perspective but they report the news right down the middle, unlike the Sun which is right wing on both counts.

The Sun is privately funded, they can follow whatever stance that they feel like.

The Government should not be in the business of funding news reporting OR editorializing. It's high time to move to a private financing model, or a matching model like PBS. CBC provides very little return on the amount we spend, and the fact they have a clear bias is wrong in every way.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by The Goon

It turns out she had a brother in arms down in Lethbridge: The Man Who Wasn't There.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2012157/

I wasted my life...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Has anyone been reading Macleans behind the scenes coverage of the election? I find this sort of stuff fascinating. They are looking at what happened in all the camps from the build up to the election all the way to election night. It's told in a 6 part story (two parts have be released so far). Check it you're looking for a really detailed break down of what happened this election.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/05/04/p...urned-over/#C1

Thanks for posting this...really is a fascinating read on every level.

i had no idea how badly the inner-Liberal party was in disarray, it explains a lot of what happened the last couple of years.

Also, not only is the article both informational and extremely interesting, it is as about as well written as anything I have read in a long time.

good stuff.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

The Sun is privately funded, they can follow whatever stance that they feel like.

The Government should not be in the business of funding news reporting OR editorializing. It's high time to move to a private financing model, or a matching model like PBS. CBC provides very little return on the amount we spend, and the fact they have a clear bias is wrong in every way.

I wasn't commenting on whether it was right or wrong, I was giving an example.

I love the CBC, well more specifically CBC newsworld, you make it sound like their bias pervades every aspect of their programming, which it clearly does not. The editorializing is pretty obvious and open, it's not like they are masking a news story with propoganda (i.e. George Strombolopolous (sp?)).

My concern with privatizing the CBC is you end with quality news outlets like the U.S. has....which is to say, none.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Has anyone been reading Macleans behind the scenes coverage of the election? I find this sort of stuff fascinating. They are looking at what happened in all the camps from the build up to the election all the way to election night. It's told in a 6 part story (two parts have be released so far). Check it you're looking for a really detailed break down of what happened this election.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/05/04/p...urned-over/#C1

Very interesting, thanks. It is interesting in part 2 how the article talks about some of the same things we were. Specifically on how Harper's team managed to completely undermine Ignatieff's plan to fight the early part of the election on ethics and accountability. Ignatieff simply got worked over.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I wasn't commenting on whether it was right or wrong, I was giving an example.

I love the CBC, well more specifically CBC newsworld, you make it sound like their bias pervades every aspect of their programming, which it clearly does not. The editorializing is pretty obvious and open, it's not like they are masking a news story with propoganda (i.e. George Strombolopolous (sp?)).

My concern with privatizing the CBC is you end with quality news outlets like the U.S. has....which is to say, none.

I don't know if I can agree that the bias reflected in the majority of their programming can be removed when it comes to pure news reporting. The organization in general has a leftward lean and even though their news is decent my opinion is it's naive to think there are not some decisions made from an ideological perspective that we may never hear about. The history of employing militant anti-conservative reporters is concerning (Ie: Mallick, and often O'Malley)

I think a PBS funded model where the government can match private donations would be a workable solution for the CBC. That way it would make them more accountable to the greater public and also allow some degree of government financing. If people believe they are the best choice for news coverage than they should be able to solicit donations to their cause.

If they don't add enough value to a large segment of Canadians, we shouldn't be funding it.

On the other hand... I'm with you in that I dislike CNN and Fox equally. I just find it unfair that we seem to publicly fund only one end of the political spectrum.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think the CBC does a decent job of trying to stay in the centre area of the spectrum. To a conservative, it would seem to the "left" of where they are though. It's all relative.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the CBC does a decent job of trying to stay in the centre area of the spectrum. To a conservative, it would seem to the "left" of where they are though. It's all relative.

It's really not relative at all. They are certainly biased towards the left and it's been that way for years. It's not the end of the world though. I don't think cutting their funding is necessary.

[Caged Great]

NDP.......X.Liberals........Conservatives

That's about where CBC is, but CTV is about halfway between the Liberals and the Conservatives.

[Slava]

Can you give a specific example of the CBC supposed bias? Something obvious...not just based on your opinion. I'm not saying it doesn't exist - just wondering if there are any defining incidents.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the CBC does a decent job of trying to stay in the centre area of the spectrum. To a conservative, it would seem to the "left" of where they are though. It's all relative.

Anyone watching the election night coverage where the CBC took about 2 hours longer than any other station to call a Conservative majority would understand that it's not all that relative.