Beloved character actor Osama bin Laden, star of TV's "Fox News", dies age 54

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PackersFan

OK, then how many other Presidents have acknowledged the "HOLY KORAN" in their speeches/addresses?

How many other Presidents have bowed to the Saudi's.

Wait, you actually believe this? I thought you were just referencing an idiotic argument. Ha, man, your days must be fun.

I'm not a Christian but I've said 'the Holy Bible" before. Wait, am I a Christian now? I've taken my hat off in Churches and followed accepted customs out of respect too, man I guess I'm a Christian now.

This is a brilliant argument you've got here. I mean bravo, you really thought this one through.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by PackersFan

OK, then how many other Presidents have acknowledged the "HOLY KORAN" in their speeches/addresses?

How many other Presidents have bowed to the Saudi's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAff...eature=related

Why does it have to be presidents that do this? Why can't it just be anybody? Because he respects another culture/faith automatically means he's Muslim? (Look, I capitalized "Muslim"...does that make me one?)

That's some very far-reaching logic you have going on there. I guess if you don't subscribe to a faith, you have to disrespect it. By PackersFan law.

Edit: Valo beat me to it. Dammit!

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

A strong message to who? The Al-Qaeda members that routinely blow themselves up for the cause? The people that do that want to die. They want to be martyred. The fear of being killed by the Great Devil is not going to persuade them to stop wanting to die in the battle against the Great Devil.

"You love life, and we love death."

It's sad because nowhere in Islam does it state that these people will be martyrs.

It will send a strong message to rational muslims. Believe it or not there are plenty of muslims who think rationally, who are being alienated by this kind of nonsense.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Where is the mandate for public confirmation? The muslim world isn't demanding it. Why is this something that is required in your eyes? What would be the rationale for lying about it?

The burial is out of respect for the billion + muslims in the world, not out of respect for bin Laden.



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The point is there should always be a mandate for public confirmation. Politics is so full of twisting truths and sometimes making up lies that i think it's important to keep a least a discernible level of transparency. I don't want names of people, i just want to know what happened and how and i want a shred of proof here and there. Isn't that what being logical and rational is all about?

And your point about Bin Laden's burial being out of respect for muslims is a little off base. I'm muslim, I don't agree with killing innocent people, but i also don't agree with not giving criminals a trial, and giving questionable human beings an ISLAMIC burial. I mean seriously, according to the US, everything Bin Laden has ever done is against Islam and yet they think the average muslim would care if Bin Laden gets an Islamic burial? The only ones who would care are people who were loyal to him. In which case the US is appeasing them at the cost of alienating and enraging the average muslim.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by PackersFan

OK, then how many other Presidents have acknowledged the "HOLY KORAN" in their speeches/addresses?

How many other Presidents have bowed to the Saudi's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAff...eature=related

Wow, the editing in that video is awesome! Cut up interviews and speeches, take any reference to Islam or the Koran and paste in video...and TADA! It must mean he's Muslim!

[photon]

What if he is a Muslim? So what?

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

Everyone is celebrating the death of Bin Laden and the government who killed him wants us to believe they paid him the respect of giving him an Islamic burial? (Hussein , Milosevic given trials and executed…Osama assassinated yet given proper burial? Makes no sense)

Saddam was given a proper burial after his execution, his body was returned to his hometown and buried there. Also, it's not that hard to imagine Osama not willing to give himself up alive to the Americans.

[Reggie Dunlop]

George W. Bush bows to Saudi royalty.


George W. Bush kissing Saudi royalty.

Not only is George W. Bush Muslim, he also gay.

Originally Posted by PackersFan

How many other Presidents have bowed to the Saudi's.

[valo403]

The point is there should always be a mandate for public confirmation

Politics is so full of twisting truths and sometimes making up lies that i think it's important to keep a least a discernible level of transparency. I don't want names of people, i just want to know what happened and how and i want a shred of proof here and there. Isn't that what being logical and rational is all about?

And your point about Bin Laden's burial being out of respect for muslims is a little off base. I'm muslim, I don't agree with killing innocent people, but i also don't agree with not giving criminals a trial, and giving questionable human beings an ISLAMIC burial. I mean seriously, according to the US, everything Bin Laden has ever done is against Islam and yet they think the average muslim would care if Bin Laden gets an Islamic burial? The only ones who would care are people who were loyal to him. In which case the US is appeasing them at the cost of alienating and enraging the average muslim.

Such as what? Allow everyone the chance to poke the body with a stick? Do everything that the tinfoil hatters like Mikey would have you do to convince them, and have them still leave unconvinced? What more could have been done here? A photo just turns the argument to the legitimacy of the photo. There are going to be doubters no matter what, catering to the stupid is no way to go through life. If there wre legitimate questions and points here it would be a different story, but there aren't. There are stupid points with no basis in reality or consideration of the situation. Why should those be at all entertained?

There has been plenty of transparency here, especially considering the numerous issues at play. Once again, this is not some final end to a campaign. This isn't the death of Hitler. This is just one part of an ongoing battle, and there are still considerations that have to be made in that realm.

[Traditional_Ale]

Thanks Photon! That guy was a ######.

[photon]

Lol, no he was a returning previously banned user, and Jiri was the one that caught it. Though I have no way of proving that to you so feel free to substitute whatever conspiracy you prefer.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Not only is George W. Bush Muslim, he also gay.

First one looks shopped though.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by valo403

Such as what? Allow everyone the chance to poke the body with a stick? Do everything that the tinfoil hatters like Mikey would have you do to convince them, and have them still leave unconvinced? What more could have been done here? A photo just turns the argument to the legitimacy of the photo. There are going to be doubters no matter what, catering to the stupid is no way to go through life. If there wre legitimate questions and points here it would be a different story, but there aren't. There are stupid points with no basis in reality or consideration of the situation. Why should those be at all entertained?

There has been plenty of transparency here, especially considering the numerous issues at play. Once again, this is not some final end to a campaign. This isn't the death of Hitler. This is just one part of an ongoing battle, and there are still considerations that have to be made in that realm.

You know, there is such a thing as 'useful debate' without name calling and other insinuations. Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion, doesn't mean they don't have the right to express his/her own.

Last I heard, there is a long fall from a high horse.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by fotze

I've never understood the high horse insult/comment. Clearly the persons aguing with you believe they are on a 'higher horse' than yourself due to the points being presented, so why would you feel it would be the least bit unpleasureable to note they are on a 'high horse'. They absoultely believ they are on the high horse.

Its just like saying "Ya, well you just feel your argument is better than mine". Well, yeah I do, good one.

It's telling people that they are being pompous ######bags and they need to get off their high horses and get back to reality.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by fotze

Well even if that is not the reason or photon was not the evil culprit. I say we just assume it was, no matter what the mods say. Barack Hussein Photona.

Fixed that up a little.

[Bigtime]

Reuters has pictures from inside the compound (but not of bin Laden), the link has extremely NSFW shots:

*NSFW*

http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

It's telling people that they are being pompous ######bags and they need to get off their high horses and get back to reality.

Thank you so much for clarifying that for fotze. Come to think of it, your way is much more effective and to the point!

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Reuters has pictures from inside the compound (but not of bin Laden), the link has extremely NSFW shots:

*NSFW*

http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound

Those are pretty graphic pictures might want to warn people before they open the link up.

And those pics are also awesome. Looks like a toy water gun by one of the bodies. Were Osama and him having a good ol' fashioned water fight before the Navy Seals came crashing in?

[Bigtime]

Well I did say the link had "extremely NSFW shots", what more can I do? Plus the link has plenty of text and a big warning that should block any pics until you scroll down.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

You know, there is such a thing as 'useful debate' without name calling and other insinuations. Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion, doesn't mean they don't have the right to express his/her own.

Last I heard, there is a long fall from a high horse.

Present actual arguments and I'll have a debate on them. Present half brained theories with no substance and I will call them stupid. I won't prevent you from expressing your opinion, but I will exercise my right to point out that it is, in fact, stupid.