05-02-2011, 12:07 PM
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#561
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
Get it out before it leaks? Annouce it the minute you have confirmation. The fact that it's this big announcement, makes sense to do it right away.
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He didn't announce it right away. It ' leaked' and every single channel was reporting it for hours while we waited for Obama to speak. He delayed his speech. WHY?
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05-02-2011, 12:10 PM
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#562
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Originally Posted by sa226
I would also like to know this....
My guess
I would think that in terms of training and abilities JTF2 is as good as any other unit in the world. The separation may come in budget, technology and support network (as alluded to in the posted article)
Also, going by some of the vague reporting done on JTF2, it seems they may be more tied down by laws, bureaucratics and all that nonsense. Whereas US special forces are less constricted. (Patriot Act?)
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Well, JTF2 are the only foreign unit accepted to join the Seals and Delta Force in Afghanistan.
The are also working with the SAS in Libya.
That's got to count for something.
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05-02-2011, 12:11 PM
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#563
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan
He didn't announce it right away. It 'leaked' and every single channel was reporting it for hours while we waited for Obama to speak. He delayed his speech. WHY?
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You can't think of any reasons why he could display his speech? On the phone? Considering the time of the announcement, it prob took him longer to get ahold of the people he wanted to tell first...waiting for absolute confirmation...lots of reasons...running behind schedule, something that seems foreign to you
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05-02-2011, 12:11 PM
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#564
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Originally Posted by NuclearFart
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What a terrible photo collection. I hate when news companies use generic "I bought this off of iStock" photos as their primary images.
And yes, that picture of the SEAL team member has to be from a video game. There's no way that isn't.
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05-02-2011, 12:14 PM
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#565
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Location: Portland, OR
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Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan
He didn't announce it right away. It 'leaked' and every single channel was reporting it for hours while we waited for Obama to speak. He delayed his speech. WHY?
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Because he was writing the speech himself, instead of using one that had been prepared for him. They mentioned this last night.
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05-02-2011, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan
He didn't announce it right away. It 'leaked' and every single channel was reporting it for hours while we waited for Obama to speak. He delayed his speech. WHY?
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1. Has to be debriefed.
2. Has to write speech.
3. Has to inform Congress.
4. Has to inform Senate.
5. Has to inform allies.
6. Has to inform world leaders.
7. Has to practice speech.
There are probably a million other things as well...
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05-02-2011, 12:15 PM
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#567
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No kidding. Maybe he wanted to practice that bad ass speech. Last time I checked, Obama got to come out and speak whenever he wanted to, being the President and all....
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05-02-2011, 12:19 PM
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#568
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What a $Million buys you in Abottabad.
Thats some badass looking snow fence.
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05-02-2011, 12:31 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
Hey CC, is JTF-2 anywhere close to as bad ass in the scale of things as SEAL Team-6? Or is Team-6 just in its own special category of Jack Bauer ultimate bad ass-ness?
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There's a special level of reverence for the Seals in the Special Forces Community. The individual Seal is lavishly trained and equip and can work well as an individual or in a group. They have the sea based component that puts them above all.
Their primary goal is usually intelligence gathering and reconnaissance, securing beach heads, clearing mines in landing zones. They're also well versed in building to building fighting, snatch and grabs, sniping and pretty well anything else.
They have a far more stringent filtering program in training and it is an exclusive company. Take the training for Seals that you see in the movies and ramp up the intensity by multiple factors.
I have tremendous respect for JTF-2, they've done some amazing things and some things that are stuff of the special forces community legends. But they're not as well rounded as the Seals, they don't have the intelligence backing that the Seals have. I'd probably say that the biggest difference is at the Senior NCO level in the Seals.
People put a lot of weight behind the sane Seal Team 6, but at the end of the day the other available groups are every bit as competent.
JTF-2 can hold its own with the other special forces units around the world, I don't question that, but there are two groups that stand out in my head and one of them is the Seals, the other is Israel's
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05-02-2011, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fotze
Quit ruining this thread by arguing about stupidass crap. Need death updates, photos, etc.
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And funny photoshops!
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05-02-2011, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan
That's what people said about Bush's war on terror. I remember people on the sides of the roads holding up posters that said 'Against the War= For Saddam'
Always question your assumptions. Believing the government without questioning is downright pathetic.
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Sure, if the questions are of value and not full blown idiotic like these ones. Again, these questions are stupid. They add no value, they have no basis. Sorry, but I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
If you're going to ask questions come up with something better than this ridiculous timing argument.
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05-02-2011, 12:36 PM
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#572
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Originally Posted by albertGQ
And funny photoshops!
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05-02-2011, 12:36 PM
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Norm!
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Two more things.
the question came up about Saddam and why they didn't kill him on the spot.
The U.S. government was far more interested in grabbing him. Plus the man was a notorious coward. As soon as the Army troops popped his spider hole he cried out "I am Saddam Hussien President of Iraq I surrender" before they could pull the pin on the grenade and toss it down.
In terms of if this was a kill order and why couldn't they wound him and capture him.
First and foremost if this was a pure kill order they would have used snipers or air strikes, but they A) wanted proof that he was dead, and B) wanted to see if they could snatch him. But in a fire fight anyone who thinks that you should knee cap him or shoot him in the hand is playing to many video games.
You leave no one behind you alive that might have the opportunity to kill or wound you, or pull a det cord.
This was a fire fight, at that point you aim for either the center mass or if your really good the head, you don't aim for a tiny knee or a tiny hand.
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05-02-2011, 12:37 PM
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#574
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Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan
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Well I guess I was mistaken, because those are clearly shots of all the people in my office. Odd that they would lie about being asleep for it? Hmm, maybe there's a conspiracy there too.
Great point you just made. Addressing my personal observation of the people I have spoken to with a shot of Times Square. Really countered my point there. 
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05-02-2011, 12:38 PM
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#575
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the photoshop of dead "bin Laden" - bin Laden's lower face and beard photoshopped onto dead guy -
**warning** gruesome picture
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05-02-2011, 12:39 PM
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So did Obama inform George W. to be classy or to rub it in his smug face?
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05-02-2011, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by North East Goon
So did Obama inform George W. to be classy or to rub it in his smug face?
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Well, judging by GW's reaction, it seems the former. And what would Obama have against GW? It was GW's incompetence that made a black guy electable in America. 
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05-02-2011, 12:42 PM
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Norm!
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ugh
The female that was used as a human shield by Bin Laden was his own wife.
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05-02-2011, 12:42 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
Well, judging by GW's reaction, it seems the former. And what would Obama have against GW? It was GW's incompetence that made a black guy electable in America. |
Wait a minute . . . he's BLACK?!?!
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05-02-2011, 12:43 PM
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by North East Goon
So did Obama inform George W. to be classy or to rub it in his smug face?
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If I'm not mistaken, past Presidents can still opt to receive daily security briefings. Whether or not Bush has opted in for those, I have no clue, but he probably would have already known by the time the call came.
Obama calling him was apropos.
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