2011 Canadian Election Thread

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by SebC

Not if it has, say, exemptions for the manufacturing industry in Ontario or flying food up to Nunavut.

So are you saying that it should have exemptions for the manufacturing industry in Ontario?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by llama64

Go wander through Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal... ask them what they think about Alberta. Sourced.

A

Thanks for proving my point

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So are you saying that it should have exemptions for the manufacturing industry in Ontario?

No.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by SebC

Not if it has, say, exemptions for the manufacturing industry in Ontario or flying food up to Nunavut.

They don't care about Nunavut. You can bet they'll give out free carbon credits to G.M. or Ford though.....

An example of this in the U.S. is Obama waiving the EPA carbon restrictions/costs to General Electric for producing coal fired electricity. Big business always gets the breaks whether it's health insurance or other special exemptions...

Cap and trade is just another money making scheme brought about by Enron, Goldman Sachs and Al Gore. It won't make a damn difference to the environment and we could end up with another financial bubble if this ever comes to be.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by llama64

Source? No seriously, source this. If this is true I want to know about it.

http://www.leaderpost.com/business/B...289/story.html

CFIB

I am sure there is more and better sources. This took me 4 minutes to do...

News about the overall economy and low unemployment
http://dcnonl.com/article/id44163

Saskatchewan's economy is very strong, with a current unemployment rate of 5.2 per cent. The province's occupational employment outlook through to 2014 indicates the greatest opportunities (at 22 per cent) will occur in the skilled trades, transportation and equipment operator categories. Much of this growth is due to the province's impressive economic growth and the anticipated high attrition rate in the workforce.

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Appren...#ixzz1L4lZNfkv

[SebC]

Cap and trade works, under the following conditions:

- The cap is in effect worldwide.
- Emission rights are auctioned off, not based on baseline emissions.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by SebC

Cap and trade works, under the following conditions:

- The cap is in effect worldwide.
- Emission rights are auctioned off, not based on baseline emissions.

Well imo, cap and trade works,

-to make bankers even more richer.
-to make your bills much higher, making you poorer.
-if you actually believe that CO2 is a pollutant.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by SebC

Cap and trade works, under the following conditions:

- The cap is in effect worldwide.
- Emission rights are auctioned off, not based on baseline emissions.

So if Canada unilaterally goes with a cap and trade system (ie NDP and Liberal policies) it is not good? Essentially you are agreeing with the CPC version of Cap and Trade, which is to only implement it if the USA does.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Hesla

So if Canada unilaterally goes with a cap and trade system (ie NDP and Liberal policies) it is not good? Essentially you are agreeing with the CPC version of Cap and Trade, which is to only implement it if the USA does.

That is correct.

(Oh noes! You got me! )

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by llama64

I disagree with this being a bad thing. Why? Because I'm not attached to the oil industry nor am I buying into the propaganda being spit out by foreign owned companies currently pumping Alberta dry of it's sole resource. Perhaps if money was directed back into Canada's society rather then foreign bank accounts we would have ancillary industries popping up.

This is such a joke of a post. The majority of the companies operating here are Canadian owned and operated. Its obvious you have no clue how much money these companies both foreign and domestic reinvest in this country. The way you talk, you would think they just dig a hole in the ground and run a conveyor belt to the border, while the poor jobless Canadians stand around with tin cups in hand.

[Stranger]

Originally Posted by llama64

I disagree with this being a bad thing. Why? Because I'm not attached to the oil industry nor am I buying into the propaganda being spit out by foreign owned companies currently pumping Alberta dry of it's sole resource. Perhaps if money was directed back into Canada's society rather then foreign bank accounts we would have ancillary industries popping up.

Wow. Everyone in Canada is attached to the oil industry, like it or not. If Layton was able to cripple the "tarsands" you would know pretty quick.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by llama64

Go wander through Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal... ask them what they think about Alberta. Sourced.

Since moving to Ontario from Alberta, every single person I have talked to looked at me like I was an idiot for doing so. They hold Alberta in very high regard, and not even close to the joke you make the province out to be.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Since moving to Ontario from Alberta, every single person I have talked to looked at me like I was an idiot for doing so. They hold Alberta in very high regard, and not even close to the joke you make the province out to be.

Agreed. I live in Ontario and I have never heard anyone here refer to Alberta as a joke.

[Slava]

OK CP politicos, the time draws near. First though, lets have a quick "Vote Compass" of our own, based solely on one issue: Cap and Trade. We're all pretty much on record with being against it...so this could be interesting. I've taken a statement from each of the parties and quoted it below. The only thing that I've removed is the part that says the party name. I've also not quoted entire paragraphs, just the one sentence or so that says what the parties think. Its simple...pick the one that you think you could most support. I'll come back at some point and tell you which is which. My point here isn't to change anyones votes by the way or convince you of which party has a better position. Just something semi-interesting for a Sunday. Hopefully you take it that way.

(Sure, you could cheat and probably google each sentence and come up with each party...but whats the harm? Surely on this major issue you know what you support, right? I also just ask that you don't ruin the fun for others...but it is what it is I suppose)


Here they are in no particular order:

A) "We support a domestic cap and trade system that will allow firms to generate credits by reducing smog-causing pollutants."

B) "We will put a price on carbon through a cap and trade system, which will establish hard emissions limits for Canada's biggest polluters to ensure companies pay their environmental bills and create incentive for emissions reductions"

C) "...will establish a cap and trade system-a mechanism that sets a ceiling on the total amount of permissible greenhouse gas emissions by large facilities..."

[transplant99]

A)CPC...which I support because they wont implement unless the US does similar

b) NDP

C Liberals or Greens....not sure.

[burn_this_city]

A - Liberal
B - NDP
C - CPC

[Ark2]

A) CPC
B) NDP
C) Liberal

[Calgaryborn]

A) CPC

B) NDP

C) LIB

But the conservative plan doesn't go forward with out America agreeing to a simular plan. That will never happen.

[Slava]

Apparently I didn't phrase it properly....the point was to pick from the three as to what you would prefer.

For the record there doesn't appear to be anything anywhere that says the CPC wouldn't implement this without the US. Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't find it? Otherwise it just seems to be conjecture?

[Resolute 14]

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