2011 Canadian Election Thread

[llama64]

Conservatives are trying to win a majority using scare tactics.

Sorry, I don't like being treated like an ignorant child. Can't support a party that uses smear campaigns and scares voters into voting for them. I don't like to be told what to think.

Won't be voting for the Liberals until they stop being indecisive. That leaves me the Greens and NDP. I bet many Canadians are in the same position I am - don't want to vote either Conservative or Liberal. Interesting - maybe Canada will wake up and realize that we don't have to be bullied by only two parties - we can change things occasionally and clean the cruft out. Sadly this won't happen in Alberta, we support our conservatives no matter what (cuz the evil easterners are gonna take all our oil or something).

[llama64]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Look at Saskatchewan. Once the Democratic Peoples Republic of Saskatchebush and HAVE NOT province dropped the NDP, finally, and went to being the #1 place to do business in North America.

Coincidence? I think not.

Source? No seriously, source this. If this is true I want to know about it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by llama64

Conservatives are trying to win a majority using scare tactics.

Sorry, I don't like being treated like an ignorant child. Can't support a party that uses smear campaigns and scares voters into voting for them. I don't like to be told what to think.

Won't be voting for the Liberals until they stop being indecisive. That leaves me the Greens and NDP. I bet many Canadians are in the same position I am - don't want to vote either Conservative or Liberal. Interesting - maybe Canada will wake up and realize that we don't have to be bullied by only two parties - we can change things occasionally and clean the cruft out. Sadly this won't happen in Alberta, we support our conservatives no matter what (cuz the evil easterners are gonna take all our oil or something).

Garbage, all the parties have pretty much used campaigns of fear here, none are above the other.

And as for the second part, which two poliltical parties advocate cap and trade, removal of the fossil fuel subsidies and an increase in business taxes while one of the parties has talked about regulating gas prices.

I'll give you the answer, the Libs and the NDP, and those policies go directly to Alberta's energy sector.

So if you want to know why Albertan's don't trust the Libs or the NDP, look at their platforms in each and every election.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Garbage, all the parties have pretty much used campaigns of fear here, none are above the other.

And as for the second part, which two poliltical parties advocate cap and trade, removal of the fossil fuel subsidies and an increase in business taxes while one of the parties has talked about regulating gas prices.

I'll give you the answer, the Libs and the NDP, and those policies go directly to Alberta's energy sector.

So if you want to know why Albertan's don't trust the Libs or the NDP, look at their platforms in each and every election.

NDP and the Greens have run positive campaigns. Conservatives and Liberals have run campaigns based on fear. Every complaint I've seen against the NDP is based on a fear of what they will do the Canada if they get in power. Nonesense - the only thing that will happen is that their rhetoric will need to be based in reality (which means just about everything they say would need to be changed of course).

And you proved me right - it's all about the evil easterners taking our oil. No wonder Alberta is a joke to the rest of the country.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by llama64

NDP and the Greens have run positive campaigns. Conservatives and Liberals have run campaigns based on fear. Every complaint I've seen against the NDP is based on a fear of what they will do the Canada if they get in power. Nonesense - the only thing that will happen is that their rhetoric will need to be based in reality (which means just about everything they say would need to be changed of course).

And you proved me right - it's all about the evil easterners taking our oil. No wonder Alberta is a joke to the rest of the country.

No...its all about Ottawa taking Alberta's money.

Its been done before and Layton has said he will do it again.

What part of that do you disagree with?

And to add...better to be considered a joke, than to actually be a lackey.

[burn_this_city]

I've never heard of Alberta being a joke to the rest of the country. Source? No seriously, source this. If this is true I want to know about it.

[Slava]

The CPC campaign isn't exactly based on fear, but I know what you mean. Its partly fear I suppose (in terms of how they characterize the other parties) and partly arrogant and bitter actually. They act as though they have a monopoly on good ideas or the direction that the country should be heading....in reality the population is divided on that though.

They act as though we can't possibly survive with a coalition or with them continuing in a minority....and in the next breath tell us how amazing they've done in getting us through the worst time since the great depression. That is fear-mongering at its finest! Thing is that people see through it and figure that if we just went through the worst of it with a minority then we'll be fine going forward with one!

In Alberta its even more arrogant though. No campaigning, no debating. Just absolutely nothing. To me this is so disgusting and disrespectful. Frankly the CPC deserves to lose a seat a two just based on that lack of effort and engagement. Its one thing to know that you are likely to win the seats, but a whole other to not bother presenting anything because you feel like you don't need to.

The episode today where they shouted down the CBC reporter and Harper wouldn't answer the question was really ridiculous. Between that and reading a twitter feed from Guy Giorno tonight just made me realise how poisoned that party is in terms of actually caring about democracy and trying to win votes by connecting with people. Its all attack ads and negative campaigns....

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by llama64

And you proved me right - it's all about the evil easterners taking our oil. No wonder Alberta is a joke to the rest of the country.

I'm not sure you know what cap and trade is, ......and what the net effect is. It's not just going to change Alberta, it will have an impact on all Canadians.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Slava

The CPC campaign isn't exactly based on fear, but I know what you mean. Its partly fear I suppose (in terms of how they characterize the other parties) and partly arrogant and bitter actually. They act as though they have a monopoly on good ideas or the direction that the country should be heading....in reality the population is divided on that though.

Name me one party not claiming the exact same thing. One

They act as though we can't possibly survive with a coalition or with them continuing in a minority....and in the next breath tell us how amazing they've done in getting us through the worst time since the great depression. That is fear-mongering at its finest! Thing is that people see through it and figure that if we just went through the worst of it with a minority then we'll be fine going forward with one!

No it isnt...jeezuz man you are smarter than that. Thats simple campaigning and again every single party does the same thing.

In Alberta its even more arrogant though. No campaigning, no debating. Just absolutely nothing. To me this is so disgusting and disrespectful. Frankly the CPC deserves to lose a seat a two just based on that lack of effort and engagement. Its one thing to know that you are likely to win the seats, but a whole other to not bother presenting anything because you feel like you don't need to.

So...dont vote for them.

The episode today where they shouted down the CBC reporter and Harper wouldn't answer the question was really ridiculous. Between that and reading a twitter feed from Guy Giorno tonight just made me realise how poisoned that party is in terms of actually caring about democracy and trying to win votes by connecting with people. Its all attack ads and negative campaigns....

Yes, attack ads are exclusive to the CPC...no question.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I've never heard of Alberta being a joke to the rest of the country. Source? No seriously, source this. If this is true I want to know about it.

Go wander through Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal... ask them what they think about Alberta. Sourced.

About Saskatchewan, I'm being serious, I want a source on it - I will not believe Saskatchewan is the "#1 place for business in North America" until it is validated. That's a ridiculous claim to make off hand.

[Jedi Ninja]

Originally Posted by llama64

Source? No seriously, source this. If this is true I want to know about it.

Not really a source, but that reminded me of this...

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8250...ke-your-sister

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I've never heard of Alberta being a joke to the rest of the country. Source? No seriously, source this. If this is true I want to know about it.

You would think if Alberta was such a "joke", the have nots would be embarrassed by taking their money each and every year.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by llama64

Go wander through Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal... ask them what they think about Alberta. Sourced.

About Saskatchewan, I'm being serious, I want a source on it - I will not believe Saskatchewan is the "#1 place for business in North America" until it is validated. That's a ridiculous claim to make off hand.

LOL!

Now thats some serious coroberation!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by llama64

Go wander through Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal... ask them what they think about Alberta. Sourced.

About Saskatchewan, I'm being serious, I want a source on it - I will not believe Saskatchewan is the "#1 place for business in North America" until it is validated. That's a ridiculous claim to make off hand.

This is an indication

http://www.estevanmercury.ca/article...ad-way-in-2011

[llama64]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No...its all about Ottawa taking Alberta's money.

Its been done before and Layton has said he will do it again.

What part of that do you disagree with?

And to add...better to be considered a joke, than to actually be a lackey.

I disagree with this being a bad thing. Why? Because I'm not attached to the oil industry nor am I buying into the propaganda being spit out by foreign owned companies currently pumping Alberta dry of it's sole resource. Perhaps if money was directed back into Canada's society rather then foreign bank accounts we would have ancillary industries popping up.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

This is an indication

http://www.estevanmercury.ca/article...ad-way-in-2011

Call me when the GDP of Saskatchewan exceeds that of New York City.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by llama64

I disagree with this being a bad thing. Why? Because I'm not attached to the oil industry nor am I buying into the propaganda being spit out by foreign owned companies currently pumping Alberta dry of it's sole resource. Perhaps if money was directed back into Canada's society rather then foreign bank accounts we would have ancillary industries popping up.

I'm glad you can flippantly think that losing 10's of thounsands of jobs, and billions of dollars in revenues (which are directly re-distributed back to the rest of Canada) is OK...because you arent in that industry.

maybe the most narrow minded thing I have read on this board.

[Stranger]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You would think if Alberta was such a "joke", the have nots would be embarrassed by taking their money each and every year.

I have no problem keeping our money if we are offend the fantastic people of Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm not sure you know what cap and trade is, ......and what the net effect is. It's not just going to change Alberta, it will have an impact on all Canadians.

Not if it has, say, exemptions for the manufacturing industry in Ontario or flying food up to Nunavut.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by llama64

NDP and the Greens have run positive campaigns. Conservatives and Liberals have run campaigns based on fear. Every complaint I've seen against the NDP is based on a fear of what they will do the Canada if they get in power. Nonesense - the only thing that will happen is that their rhetoric will need to be based in reality (which means just about everything they say would need to be changed of course).

The Greens to be honest haven't run a campaign at all. Elizabeth May has been non existant on a national scale. Jack Layton ran a campaign that was fairly positive but still had his moments of fear mongering


[/quote]And you proved me right - it's all about the evil easterners taking our oil. No wonder Alberta is a joke to the rest of the country.[/QUOTE]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read with all due respect. I honestly gave you a reason why there is distrust of the Liberal's and NDP based on their platforms and you call my province a joke. I guess you are a typical arrogant ignorant Eastern Prick who doesn't think that his poop stinks. See I can do it too. Sourced.