More police brutality

[MacGruber]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Yes asking a lot of questions will get you a ticket. What part of that don't you understand. You've only been pulled over once in your life. I've been pulled over 2 dozen times. You clearly have no idea how a cop handles that situation (unless of course you're a career criminal who hates cops)

Cops don't like when you ask a lot of questions. And I couldn't care less if you think I'm being honest or not, theonlywhiteout.

Anyone who has dealt with cops knows the best thing to save yourself a ticket is to be nice to the cop and not ask any questions. What does asking why you were pulled over solve? He's likely going to lie to you anyways right?

Listen Ren, I can only go back and forth with you enough on this because your being so difficult about being honest about basic premises. I stated ONE question, and you fire back with "asking lots of questions is something cops dont like". That's being intellectually dishonest and shows that frankly you have no real ground to stand on.

"What seems to be the problem office" is ONE question, asked politely, that MILLIONS of people in USA/Canada ask each year. Give me a break.

Originally Posted by puckluck

Checkstops check everyone? No they don't. they only check people they think are intoxicated.
Again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Pathetic. A new low Ren. yes, checkstops pull over EVERYONE. I've gone thru several. They stop every car and ask if you've been drinking
lmao

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

That is the problem. It doesn't seem like you are judging incidences. It seems like you are judging a profession. Or maybe you are just getting mixed in with the anti-police/authority crowd on this forum. Are you friends with Pinner or Mikey?

I dont read pinners posts so I have no idea. And what little I've read from mikey suggests he's a conspiracy nut, no offense to mikey.

All Im saying is that authority is supposed to work for us, not vice versa.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Lots of misrepresentations of what I wrote. I didn't suggest a course of action, certainly not assaulting the cop. There's a lot that can be done to protect someone who's being victimized without resorting to violence.

Also, in this scenario the students out numbered the police, not vice versa.

Be it a group of random students in a library or random people on the street. You're going at it alone. If one student was to stand up to the police don't expect everyone else around to to get your back. Regardless of how many people are around, you're going at it alone.

I think I was clear in giving options that didn't resort to violence, in which case I agree about getting involved, depending on the situation the extent varies.

If someone is being tazed (as per video) or raped (as per an example you outlined above) you implied people should get involved. I doubt telling an officer who is raping a girl "excuse me sir, but I believe she said 'no' therefore you should refrain from placing your who-ha in her bajingo" would necessarily do the trick

So we've eliminated physically restraining the perpetrator (police officer) therefore what would you do?


Edit so to not make another post: Asking "what seems to be the problem officer?" is a perfectly legitimate question, if I was randomly asked for my ID, I would ask if there was a problem. That said, if I'm in an area that I know ID is required and it's requested I just hand it over.

[puckluck]

You said "check everyone" not pull over. Nice back peddling though.

[MacGruber]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Be it a group of random students in a library or random people on the street. You're going at it alone. If one student was to stand up to the police don't expect everyone else around to to get your back. Regardless of how many people are around, you're going at it alone.

I think I was clear in giving options that didn't resort to violence, in which case I agree about getting involved, depending on the situation the extent varies.

If someone is being tazed (as per video) or raped (as per an example you outlined above) you implied people should get involved. I doubt telling an officer who is raping a girl "excuse me sir, but I believe she said 'no' therefore you should refrain from placing your who-ha in her bajingo" would necessarily do the trick

So we've eliminated physically restraining the perpetrator (police officer) therefore what would you do?

Lets give you this example, as a reply, maritime. If my dad and me were out doing something and for whatever reason my dad was being tasered by a single cop, I would try and put myself in between my dad and the cop. Shielding him with my own body, which the students could have done.

If the cops then decided to start tasering 3, 4, 5 students, then it escalates again. But the cops then have a choice to make. Do we keep tasering this guy and other innocent bystanders, or, do we remove ourselves from the situation.

What about the Polish guy who was **edit** manslaughtered by the RCMP with a taser? He could have used an advocate.

Originally Posted by puckluck

You said "check everyone" not pull over. Nice back peddling though.

Wtf do you think I meant? You are completely full of it I swear to god.

[simmonjam1]

Originally Posted by puckluck

There is no line. Under no circumstance should you try to fight a cop that is armed to the tits with weapons at his disposal. Even if the cop is breaking the law the best thing you can do is show up to court and testify against him. If you are going to try and be a hero you might not make it to court to testify against him.

Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il and the like would love to have you as a citizen. Sleeping populace who do not question authority 'under no circumstances' is what allows dictators to flourish.

Grant it, that's on a larger scale but it's the smaller actions that reflect upon the whole.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Lets give you this example, as a reply, maritime. If my dad and me were out doing something and for whatever reason my dad was being tasered by a single cop, I would try and put myself in between my dad and the cop. Shielding him with my own body, which the students could have done.

If the cops then decided to start tasering 3, 4, 5 students, then it escalates again. But the cops then have a choice to make. Do we keep tasering this guy and other innocent bystanders, or, do we remove ourselves from the situation.

What about the Polish guy who was murdered by the RCMP with a taser? He could have used an advocate.



Wtf do you think I meant? You are completely full of it I swear to god.

Wow, I am done with you. LOL shielding him with your body? you're a real hero. The cops are now enjoying tazering 2 guys instead of one. Good job you really accomplished something.

You really have no clue how the Police work. Educate yourself and maybe even go out and get pulled over on purpose and try asking the questions you want and come back in this thread and tell us how that worked out for you.

[MacGruber]

Yeah I am a real hero I guess. If my dad was being tasered over and over by a power hungry cop I should stand by and watch him get assaulted? You're a joke. Anyone with any grain of respectability or common decency would die to protect their parents, children, siblings. It would explain a lot about you tho to picture you watching your dad or mom get tasered for no reason over and over and you just standing there, looking mad and taking mental notes for court.

You really have no clue how the Police work. Educate yourself and maybe even go out and get pulled over on purpose and try asking the questions you want and come back in this thread and tell us how that worked out for you.

I have been pulled over, and when I asked what the problem was I was given an equally polite response of my speeding. Nice try tho.

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Lets give you this example, as a reply, maritime. If my dad and me were out doing something and for whatever reason my dad was being tasered by a single cop, I would try and put myself in between my dad and the cop. Shielding him with my own body, which the students could have done.

If the cops then decided to start tasering 3, 4, 5 students, then it escalates again. But the cops then have a choice to make. Do we keep tasering this guy and other innocent bystanders, or, do we remove ourselves from the situation.

What about the Polish guy who was **edit** manslaughtered by the RCMP with a taser? He could have used an advocate.



Wtf do you think I meant? You are completely full of it I swear to god.

Seriously, you have confirmed you have no clue what you are talking about.

[MacGruber]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Seriously, you have confirmed you have no clue what you are talking about.

Ok, enlighten me. Did he or did he not die from being tasered?

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by simmonjam1

Mugabe, Kim Jong-Il and the like would love to have you as a citizen. Sleeping populace who do not question authority 'under no circumstances' is what allows dictators to flourish.

Grant it, that's on a larger scale but it's the smaller actions that reflect upon the whole.

Totally disingenuous statement. puckluck advocated going through the proper and available channels to question authority - not simply be a "sleeping populace".

Grant it?

[MacGruber]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Totally disingenuous statement. puckluck advocated going through the proper and available channels to question authority - not simply be a "sleeping populace".

Grant it?

Proper channels may not always be good enough.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Ok, enlighten me. Did he or did he not die from being tasered?

Do you really think the cop mean to kill him?

You can argue if you think tasering him was the right/wrong thing to do, however I highly doubt the cop meant to kill him.

[MacGruber]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Do you really think the cop mean to kill him?

You can argue if you think it tasering him was the right thing to do, however I highly doubt the cop meant to kill him.

Involuntary manslaughter is just that. Killing someone with no intent to actually commit murder.

[burn_this_city]

So much stupid hyperbole in this thread.

[SeoulFire]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Proper channels may not always be good enough.

Then we will allow you to die trying in one of your ridiculous scenarios that are extremely unlikely.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

Then we will allow you to die trying.

MacGruber the martyr, RIP internet freedom fighter.

[MacGruber]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

MacGruber the martyr, RIP internet freedom fighter.

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

So much stupid hyperbole in this thread.

I guess one day if your rights are infringed upon you may sing a different tune. But for now, hey, it's not your problem right? Why care?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Lets give you this example, as a reply, maritime. If my dad and me were out doing something and for whatever reason my dad was being tasered by a single cop, I would try and put myself in between my dad and the cop. Shielding him with my own body, which the students could have done.

If the cops then decided to start tasering 3, 4, 5 students, then it escalates again. But the cops then have a choice to make. Do we keep tasering this guy and other innocent bystanders, or, do we remove ourselves from the situation.

What about the Polish guy who was **edit** manslaughtered by the RCMP with a taser? He could have used an advocate.



Wtf do you think I meant? You are completely full of it I swear to god.

Admittedly I'm no expert on tazers (tasers? I don't even know how to properly spell the word) but I've always thought there were two leads that shoot out of the tazer and electricity jots are given when the trigger is held down. I didn't think it's something that you could realistically "jump in front of" and if you got caught up in the leads wouldn't it be two people getting tazed instead of one?

If my father and I were out for a walk and a police officer told him to get on his knees and randomly tazed him I'd probably be frozen in shock, same situation as the library mentioned above. I'd argue it's an extreme situation that is completed unexpected due to the out of character actions of what the police are supposed to do.

It's not fair to me to comment how I'd react to a tazing having never seen one. I'd like to think that I'd be able to talk the situation down before it happened (provided I was involved of course).

I do think it's foolhardy to just get involved in others interactions with the police. If I did see someone in handcuffs and get tazed you can bet that I'll be filing a report.

As for the RCMP Polish man, if I saw that I probably would have incorrectly assumed he was a threat as why else would there be that many police officers trying to corner a guy? I can't go on the assumption that everyone the police are dealing with is innocent, and that the police are just trigger happy all the time.

To get back on topic, I think it's unrealistic to think that strangers in the library would jump in line of the tazer. If the situation you outlined above happened, you'd see more police called in (riot squad? swat team?) the situation would escalate and the police would win, they wouldn't reassess the situation apologize and back away slowly. I think the best thing for them to do would have been to call 9-1-1, record the incident via digital camera/cell phone, and tell them to stop as the suspect is already in handcuffs there's no need to taze him as that's excessive.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

I guess one day if your rights are infringed upon you may sing a different tune. But for now, hey, it's not your problem right? Why care?

How much rights infringing do we see on a regular basis? Judging by what you've said so far your rights havent been trampled on. We don't live in a police state where the cops have absolute power. The judicial system comes down pretty hard on police who overstep their authority.

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Ok, enlighten me. Did he or did he not die from being tasered?

No, he didn't die from being tasered. He died from being restrained with another contributing factor.