This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issed by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic and Fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right
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I've seen this in a few threads. The statements refer to "idiots" who support the Tea Party. I want to know why they are idiots.
I think they are idiots because the of timing of all this.
Eight years of blowing everything on crazy wars, tax cuts for rich people and those massive bailouts constant scewupsand the minute the black guy takes over, that's when they've had enough?
Who ever heard of this Tea Party movement when this whole mess was being made? They didn't protest George Bush. They voted for him.
I don't think it's a coincidence. There is a racist undertone (maybe an overtone) to the whole thing. And since racists are idiots...
I have a couple issues with them. First of all, as other people have said, they're not the grassroots movement that they MAY have once been, but a group of people being led around by cynical right wing Republicans.
But really, my main issue is with the fact that they only appeared once Obama was President. If they're really a government fearing group, where were they when the Department of Homeland Security was created, or No Child Left Behind, or the Patriot Act? Where were they when Bush bailed out Wall Street? Apparently those things weren't a problem. There's also the fact that despite being "taxed enough already" taxes are lower now than practically any time in history. The top bracket during Eisenhower's term (a Republican) was 91%! Yet the 35% top rate now is socialism...
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issed by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to ny house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic and Fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right
They may be unintentionally keeping the Dems in power, as undecideds are turned off by the extremism. I think they are a huge problem for the reasonable right.
Studies are showing that American moderates are usually the people that invest the least amount of time and effort into politics.
The more you care, the more "extreme" you are.
To me, that suggests that one side is very wrong (and doesn't say much for the other).
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A poll is cited by Bloomberg to obtain the results noted, and is the most current with the article by Bloomberg just four days ago. The poll not only presents the results but cites its margin of error and the details of that poll. The poll of 1,002 U.S. adults was conducted March 19-22 by Selzer & Co. of Des Moines, Iowa. The results had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. What Bloomberg observes from the poll is this:
"Tea Party supporters are likely to be older, white and male. Forty percent are age 55 and over, compared with 32 percent of all poll respondents; just 22 percent are under the age of 35, 79 percent are white, and 61 percent are men. Many are also Christian fundamentalists, with 44 percent identifying themselves as “born-again,” compared with 33 percent of all respondents."
I think it comes down to old, white, christian right wingers not being happy with a young, black democrat.
I personally dislike the Tea Party because they are collectively anti-intellectualists.
I'm a big admirer of the Founding Fathers, and I really think they advanced society in directions that it hadn't moved in centuries.
The Tea Party also admire the Founding Fathers, but only as giants with shoulders for us to stand on. They quote their words, but have no concept of what made them great.
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There seems to be alot of disinfo. about the tea party out there.
At the end of the day, the tea party supports constitutional government. The movement was re-launched by Ron Paul back in 2008. Paul is a libertarian. He has now all but separated himself from the movement.
The tea party was originally against the wars, the spending and bail-outs, the attacks on the bill of rights (Patriot Act) etc.
The group is not centered around racism. That comes from people who watch too much Rachel Maddow on msnbc.
The problem with the tea party is that most of their followers are stuck in the republican vs. democrat mindset. They are republican by nature, but they don't understand that both republicans and democrats are two sides of the same corporate coin.
Now you got the likes of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck hijacking the movement for their own personal gain. Palin does not really care about the tea party. She is a war mongering establishment republican, so the real message of the tea party is now dead.
I don't think their platform is crazy at all, just as being a Republican doesn't make you an idiot either, but Right Wing america has been taken over by radical idiots like Beck, Hannity and Palin's of the world.
Yeah, this is why Tea Party members are being completely dishonest about their desire for a balanced budget. The US could cut every single program except Social Security, Defense, Medicare, and Medicaid to near-zero funding levels and the federal government would still have a budget deficit.
Using your point as a springboard, I would submit that they're not dishonest but rather ill-informed. This is an extremely self-reinforcing movement*, and much of the "truths" are perpetuated by and within the organization**. This is why you hear them rail against foreign aid and PBS and other little minutiae: they actually do think these are significant to the budget. They're simply re-stating mantras (which they know are true) and are therefore not interested in doing the work of exposing their thoughts to scrutiny. So that's a roundabout way of saying that they are indeed honest, just not intellectually rigorous.
The other defense I would make is that the Tea Party has actually made tangible change to the Republican platform. Depending on your political stance you may not agree with this change in Republican party priorities, however it does represent a democracy at work. I would argue that this exposes the weakest part of the Democrat side of the political scale: their voting constituency has not been able to make a meaningful impact on Democratic politics despite coming out in large numbers in 2008***.
In that way, I think that the Right demonstrates a more meaningful example of the fluidity of democracy than does the Left.
* All politics are like this to an extent. Democrats thinking you can pump money into social programs to fix them, Republicans thinking that any tax cut stimulates the economy, etc...
** This type of perpetuation can fetishize an inability to do basic budgetary accounting, but within the Tea party it definitely has an ugly side in the form of their xenophobia.
*** I'm hard pressed to name any meaningful steps taken by Obama to halt the erosion of civil liberties that is taking place in the US. At the behest of the right and the cowardice of the left, he's actually perpetuated the downward moral spiral begun by GWB.
There seems to be alot of disinfo. about the tea party out there.
At the end of the day, the tea party supports constitutional government. The movement was re-launched by Ron Paul back in 2008. Paul is a libertarian. He has now all but separated himself from the movement.
The tea party was originally against the wars, the spending and bail-outs, the attacks on the bill of rights (Patriot Act) etc.
The group is not centered around racism. That comes from people who watch too much Rachel Maddow on msnbc.
The problem with the tea party is that most of their followers are stuck in the republican vs. democrat mindset. They are republican by nature, but they don't understand that both republicans and democrats are two sides of the same corporate coin.
Now you got the likes of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck hijacking the movement for their own personal gain. Palin does not really care about the tea party. She is a war mongering establishment republican, so the real message of the tea party is now dead.
It's not 'disinformation'!!!!
These tea party people have successfully masked themselves as a group with a fiscal agenda. The past few weeks leading up to this budget crisis proved that they're a bunch of religious lunatics with absolutely crazy social ideas. They live in an alternative universe created by Fox News and conservative talk radio and their popularity is directly threatening to push the US into the abyss.
Americans need to wake the **** up and realize billionaires are in the final stages of ruining their country for good.
Also, Obama is a huge piece of chicken (censored) with no balls to do anything about the real problems that country is facing.
And what's worst is Trump comes out and says something so stupid and outdated about Obama's birth certificate and Sarah Palin backs him on it.
And second place in polls? Dear god that shows how awful Right Wing America is right now. The more he sticks around and is even a little bit of a prominent factor in the party, the more it favors the democrats.
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When I heard he was being considered for the Republican candidacy, without knowing much about the guy, I thought well I'm sure he'll favor private sector maybe he won't be bad. After watching what, if he came anywhere near the presidency, I would fear for America.
