Operation Northwoods

[MacGruber]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods



I never heard of this before... pretty crazy stuff. Ostensibly the CIA proposed to JFK faking terrorist attacks inside US borders and blaming Cuba. Thankfully Kennedy said no.

Makes you wonder tho about Vietnam, the Gulf, etc. I wont even mention the other incident ... I'll let a crazy tin foil hat person bring that up. I wonder if a Northwoods like situation has ever occurred or will ever be actioned...

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods



I never heard of this before... pretty crazy stuff. Ostensibly the CIA proposed to JFK faking terrorist attacks inside US borders and blaming Cuba. Thankfully Kennedy said no.

Makes you wonder tho about Vietnam, the Gulf, etc. I wont even mention the other incident ... I'll let a crazy tin foil hat person bring that up. I wonder if a Northwoods like situation has ever occurred or will ever be actioned...

Al-Qaida didn't exist until after 2001. USA just had to give something a name that the people could be mad at. Basically, Al-Qaida is a NA term. At least that's what was explained to me.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Al-Qaida didn't exist until after 2001. USA just had to give something a name that the people could be mad at. Basically, Al-Qaida is a NA term. At least that's what was explained to me.

Not sure why that's all italicized, maybe it's meant to be green texted or something, so I'll just say . . . no.

[MacGruber]

Wasn't al-Qaida formed in the late 80's??

[To Be Quite Honest]

No I copied and pasted for spelling.

Yes that's what it says. The late eighties is when they formed. But did you here about them before 2001?

I was just told about it. I don't confirm or deny it. I just thought that point was on topic.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

No I copied and pasted for spelling.

Yes that's what it says. The late eighties is when they formed. But did you here about them before 2001?

I was just told about it. I don't confirm or deny it. I just thought that point was on topic.

Yes. The USS Cole bombing in 2000 and the embassy bombing in Kenya in 1998. They were in the news back then.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

No I copied and pasted for spelling.

Yes that's what it says. The late eighties is when they formed. But did you here about them before 2001?

Yeah, the USS Cole in 2000, and the American embassy bombing in Africa before that.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Okay. I never looked into it.

[Beerfest]

[T@T]

Another pile of steaming from youtubes favorite conspiracy theorist.

He even has a clothing line.

[Beerfest]

Great "debunker" logic ^^^

Bring up something that has nothing to do with the subject in order to try and bash it.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by T@T

Another pile of steaming from youtubes favorite conspiracy theorist.

He even has a clothing line.

Merchandising, merchandising!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Operation Northwoods is what it is, .....a false flag terror attack planned and signed by the joint Chiefs of Staff to instigate regime change in Cuba.

False flag terror is one of the oldest plays in the book for a political body to manipulate the public.

Examples are the Reichstag fire, the invasion of Gleiwitz, Gulf of Tonkin incident, the bombing of the King David Hotel, and of course 9/11...

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by MacGruber

Wasn't al-Qaida formed in the late 80's??

Late 70's, early 80's.

Al-Qaeda is a North American media term to describe this group. They do not wear special uniforms that say "Al-Qaeda" on them.

They-along with the Taliban, are a loose collection of fighters left over from the Mujahadeen and other groups which were backed by America to defeat Russia in the early 80's.

Speaking of Al-Qaeda, ...I was reading last week that the trial for supposed 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will now be a military tribunal. The trial was originally to take place in New York, open to the public and the press.

This is all going to clean up quite nicely for the establishment in America. Torture KSM for months and get a "confession" out of him, and then have a closed door military tribunal where nobody will get to hear the evidence. He will be executed and that will be the end of it.

In addition to this, the rebel fighters that America is/will be backing in Libya have significant numbers of Al-Qaeda fighters within its ranks. It is total hypocrisy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny that people leap to all sorts of conclusions about this. Northwoods came out of the planning department of the Joint Chiefs but it was never approved, signed off on or liked by the U.S. Government under Kennedy.

In fact when it was presented it promptly caused a bloodbath including the current JCS being sacked.

This was an example of planning gone out of control, and not as Mikey likes to point out the U.S. government wanting to execute a operation on U.S. shores.

As a further the U.S. government still has plans in place and regularly updated that include the seizure of key resources in Canada, the overall conquest in Canada, the invasion of Mexico (Probably updated because of the current drug problems).

Its pretty funny in terms of your dissertation that the current air intervention in Libya is a U.S. operation when its a UN intervention.

Can you prove the number of Al Qaeda fighters in with the Rebels or are you pulling it out of your a%% to make a point. Can you prove a direct link where UN forces are working with or coordinating with the Rebel, besides painting the roof of their trucks pink?

And yes, KSM will be tried by Military Tribunal, it was stupid to move the trial to New York in the first place. And I don't know what the frack your talking about where nobody will hear evidence, in the last tribunal with Kadr it was extremely wide open to the media, this one will be too.

Or are you wondering if on the Stands that KSM will actually admit he's actor Bob Swanson from New Jersey who was hired by the shadowy Omega Group a rogue subsection of the CIA who was playing the role of evil mastermind while George W and his buddies spend a weekend dynamiting the Word Trade Center.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Yes Captain, we all know that JFK's administration did not sign off on the Northwoods document, but it doesn't mean that certain rogue elements within the government did not want it to happen.

Planning gone out of control? You always downplay any government dirty laundry that gets released into the public. Keep your head in the sand I guess.....

I think it is obvious that certain people within the U.S. government wanted to get rid of Castro using military action, ...what better way than to convince the public with a false flag terror attack?

I view both NATO and the UN as a primarily American apparatus. People like yourself and others have been fooled into thinking this is a "kinetic humanitarian mission"........lol. You know, there are humanitarian crisis in Rwanda, Bahrain, and all over the world that the U.N. (and America) ignore.

I wonder if NATO would be intervening in Libya if their top export to the west was broccoli instead of that sweet, sweet brent crude.......hmmm I doubt it.

Why was it a stupid move to hold the trial for KSM in a federal court in New York?

Here is an article that shows Al-Qaeda has been, and is active in Libya. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Libya one of the terror-supporting nations as outlined by G.W. Bush?

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source...q3pP45AHoRCRQw

"But since the Al Qaeda personnel files contain the residence or hometown of the foreign fighters in question, we can determine that the desire to travel to Iraq to kill Americans was not evenly distributed across Libya, but was highly concentrated precisely in those areas around Benghazi which are today the epicenters of the revolt against Colonel Gaddafi which the US, Britain, France, and others are so eagerly supporting."

"The specific institutional basis for the recruitment of guerrilla fighters in northeastern Libya is associated with an organization which previously called itself the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). During the course of 2007, the LIFG declared itself an official subsidiary of al Qaeda, later assuming the name of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM). As a result of this 2007 merger, an increased number of guerrilla fighters arrived in Iraq from Libya. According to Felter and Fishman, “The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group’s (LIFG) increasingly cooperative relationship with al-Qaeda, which culminated in the LIFG officially joining al-Qaeda on November 3, 2007.”8 This merger is confirmed by other sources: A 2008 statement attributed to Ayman al-Zawahiri claimed that the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group has joined al-Qaeda."

[mikey_the_redneck]

....I can't wait to see how "open" this trial is.

"Attorney General Eric Holder announced that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four other men accused of plotting the 9/11 attacks would be tried before a military commission at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba."

LOL.....

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

....I can't wait to see how "open" this trial is.

"Attorney General Eric Holder announced that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four other men accused of plotting the 9/11 attacks would be tried before a military commission at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba."

LOL.....

Oh oh, the dreaded LOL argument.

Argument Setteled. You win!

[To Be Quite Honest]

I just watched Inside Job. This is probably something everyone should watch as there are similarities here in Canada as in the USA with corruption

There are many people speaking out on the political gains that lobbyists have given their corporations. I am thinking of sending my letter to the Gov't CRA that they may get my taxes once corporations like GE contributethe EXACT SAME amount as the middle class. Right now they pay 0.00.

I have been watching a lot of Bill Maher on HBO and man is he refreshing. WE must revolt from corporation control. If millions of people refuse their tax money until both US and Canadian politicans reform corrupt legislation that makes you and me poorer and the wealthy richer...

Now go on and make fun of my threat to remove my tax dollars. But how else will we as the supposed owners of this country (Yes, we own it) get fair treatment and respect.

Anyway I'm 3 beers deep and watching a movie... Ciao.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

I just watched Inside Job. This is probably something everyone should watch as there are similarities here in Canada as in the USA with corruption

There are many people speaking out on the political gains that lobbyists have given their corporations. I am thinking of sending my letter to the Gov't CRA that they may get my taxes once corporations like GE contributethe EXACT SAME amount as the middle class. Right now they pay 0.00.

I have been watching a lot of Bill Maher on HBO and man is he refreshing. WE must revolt from corporation control. If millions of people refuse their tax money until both US and Canadian politicans reform corrupt legislation that makes you and me poorer and the wealthy richer...

Now go on and make fun of my threat to remove my tax dollars. But how else will we as the supposed owners of this country (Yes, we own it) get fair treatment and respect.

Anyway I'm 3 beers deep and watching a movie... Ciao.

To a certain extent. I loved Inside Job but in Canada none of that stuff is possible. There's a reason our financial institutions are a shining example to the rest of the world and incredibly stable.